From owner-kxt@nccom.com Mon Oct 01 05:37:21 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15o2Jz-0003U4-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 05:37:19 -0700 Message-ID: <000901c14a75$cfba32c0$6501a8c0@monitor> From: "Harry from Select" To: "Michael N. Marcus" , "Dawn Schelinski" Cc: References: <026d01c14a21$5947abd0$9865fea9@michael850> Subject: Re: KX-T: A proper installation Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 08:37:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 Disposition-Notification-To: "Harry from Select" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk do you know what's really bad for business? Your published give away prices on your website I know what your response is going be, but try to imagine the pros and cons and you'll see ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael N. Marcus" To: "Dawn Schelinski" Cc: Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 5:53 PM Subject: Re: KX-T: A proper installation > > > > Just after I was certified on the Panasonic KXTD series, one of the > > competitors offered me a job with them. One thing they told me in the > > interview is that when the install is happening, it should be done right, > to > > avoid any return visits. > > Dawn, that's a very anti-customer attitude, and ultimately bad for business, > too. > > Just because an installation is done "right," you can't assume there won't > be any return visits. > > Holding a customer's hand is as important as holding a punchdown tool. > > When we install a system, our contract usually specifies two or three return > visits for additional instruction, and programming changes. > > It's naive to expect that all the employees (or family members) will be > present -- and will understand and remember -- all of the important aspects > of using a system, and will know how they want it programmed. > > We know there will be questions and requests for changes, so we make the > customer know we will be back to help them several times at no additional > charge; yet we also set a limit to the "free" return trips to protect > ourselves. > > Michael N. Marcus > AbleComm, Inc. > www.ablecomm.com etc. > > > > ********************************************************* > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > ********************************************************* ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Mon Oct 01 05:55:42 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15o2bl-0003UT-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 05:55:41 -0700 Message-ID: <010801c14a78$aa995130$07c7f9c7@marc2000ws> From: "Marc L. Kozam" To: References: <026d01c14a21$5947abd0$9865fea9@michael850> Subject: Re: KX-T: A proper installation Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 08:57:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk > Just after I was certified on the Panasonic KXTD series, one of the > competitors offered me a job with them. One thing they told me in the > interview is that when the install is happening, it should be done right, > to avoid any return visits. I don't see anything wrong with "getting it right the first time", meaning to me that you anticipate needs, have extra parts, preconfigure and test the system before getting to the site, keep your tools in good order (and complete). It ought to look easy and routine because you are prepared. Of course, a successful installation is a process rather than a one time event and that usually means more than one visit, mainly because end users can't be expected to understand the options and nuances of a new system. The return visits shouldn't be because the installer forgot to hook up a couple extensions. Marc kozam@mlksoft.com ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Mon Oct 01 10:24:15 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15o6nd-0003X8-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 10:24:13 -0700 From: Jody Subject: KX-T: DBS Voice Mail To: kxt@kxthelp.com Message-Id: Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 10:24:09 -0700 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk has anyone ever integrated a DBS with a VPS 100/200? i have a customer with a DBS and he wants to put voice mail on it. I know there is no integration on the DBS for the voice mail but im not worried about that. any helpful comments would be welcome Jody ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Mon Oct 01 10:25:39 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15o6oz-0003XT-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 10:25:37 -0700 Message-Id: <200110011717.f91HHkp25828@earth.inco.com.lb> From: "Silicon Cave" To: Subject: Re: KX-T: Problem with Clock Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 12:57:43 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Hello, try these three points, it might help: 1st: disconnect all Key telephones ( Pits) and connect only one ( Maybe it is pits problem.) 2nd: If you have only one Key telephone , try to change the L & H pins ( reverse the connection). It might be an interference or one of them is grounded for any reason. 3rd: Check that your system is well grounded. Regards George Aad Silicon Cave Lab. Beirut - Lebanon ---------- From: Duffy To: kxt@kxthelp.com Subject: KX-T: Problem with Clock Date: Saturday, September 29, 2001 6:45 PM Dear KXTD I mention a problem last week that I was having with the clock on a KXTD1232 that it wasn't moving.I taken the system down installed a new system today and to my disbelieve the clock was not moving.When you set the time it doesn't change but if you reset the system the clock changes to the correct time but it then stays at that time until the system is reset again...Can anybody help???????? The KXTD1232 has 30ch Primary ISDN connected to it fully configured 32 extensions and a 4 port voicemail Michael ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Mon Oct 01 10:39:14 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15o728-0003Xm-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 10:39:12 -0700 From: "Tim Hofbauer" To: Subject: KX-T: On Hold Announcement Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 12:34:46 -0500 Message-ID: <002d01c14a9f$5d93fe40$2b01010a@cptim> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002E_01C14A75.74BDF640" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C14A75.74BDF640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all, Does anyone have a recommendation for a solid state on hold announcement player. I've seen ones that have a cassette player to load the message. Thanks in advance Tim Hofbauer Connecting Point ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C14A75.74BDF640 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello all,

Does anyone have a recommendation for a solid state = on hold announcement player.  I’ve seen ones that have a cassette player to load the = message.

 

Thanks in advance

 

Tim Hofbauer

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------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C14A75.74BDF640-- ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Mon Oct 01 11:38:26 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15o7xQ-0003Yr-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 11:38:24 -0700 Message-ID: <00e301c14aa5$c1193b00$0300a8c0@verizon.net> From: "Charles Patterson" To: "Tim Hofbauer" , References: <002d01c14a9f$5d93fe40$2b01010a@cptim> Subject: KX-T: Re: On Hold Announcement Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 14:20:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-From: jimmy@nccom.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 11:38:22 -0700 Resent-To: kxt@nccom.com Resent-Message-Id: Sender: owner-kxt Precedence: bulk I almost always use On Hold Plus. The price is competitive and I have = not had any problems. Their new OHP5000 uses a built in cd player to = load the message. (Although the cord they give you with it sticks out too far for the = KXTD1232 cabinet to close. They used to give two cords (rca-rca and rca = to mini) but now they only give one RCA-RCA with an adapter to go to = the mini plug. I put one in today, I gotta go back with a different = cord.) charles ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Mon Oct 01 14:49:13 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15oAw4-0003b9-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 14:49:12 -0700 To: kxt@kxthelp.com Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 17:38:07 -0400 Subject: KX-T: DBS 96 LOADED for sale Message-ID: <20011001.175621.-431873.2.dr.dongle@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,5-8 From: Chris L Snyder Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk DBS 96 Loaded just removed 100 % operational If interisted contact me All that is necessary for EVIL to triumph is for good people to do NOTHING! -Edmund Burke- Chris Snyder KD4 OGD Cosby, Tn. dr.dongle@juno.com Stop the madness...vote LIBERTARIAN ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Mon Oct 01 19:55:15 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15oFiD-0003di-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Mon, 1 Oct 2001 19:55:13 -0700 Message-ID: <026a01c14aed$cb98fc30$3c00a8c0@PICARD> Reply-To: "Reddy Biggs" From: "Reddy Biggs" To: "KXT Help" References: <002d01c14a9f$5d93fe40$2b01010a@cptim> Subject: KX-T: Re: On Hold Announcement Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 21:56:11 -0500 Organization: Archer & Biggs, Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Tim, I use a Rio 500 mp3 player. Holds multiple messages, and you can repeat all messages or just repeat one message. You can save last year's holiday message on the unit and it will still be there next year if you need it. Downside is you need to solder on a power supply. Upside is tons of non volatile memory, works great, lasts forever, and cheap as dirt. Plus it is available everywhere. Just record or convert your messages into MP3 format, and you are ready to go. Keep the RioPort software on your laptop, and you can download anything you need. Good luck, The lowly end user. ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Hofbauer To: kxt@kxthelp.com Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 12:34 PM Subject: KX-T: On Hold Announcement Hello all, Does anyone have a recommendation for a solid state on hold announcement player. I've seen ones that have a cassette player to load the message. Thanks in advance Tim Hofbauer Connecting Point ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Tue Oct 02 05:07:03 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15oOKD-0003mA-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Tue, 2 Oct 2001 05:07:01 -0700 Message-ID: <02b101c14b3a$6a125fe0$9865fea9@michael850> From: "Michael N. Marcus" To: "Harry from Select" Cc: References: <026d01c14a21$5947abd0$9865fea9@michael850> <000901c14a75$cfba32c0$6501a8c0@monitor> Subject: Re: KX-T: A proper installation Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 13:36:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk > do you know what's really bad for business? > Your published give away prices on your website > I know what your response is going be, Maybe you don't know... We don't give phone systems away, Harry. Please don't confuse AbleComm with sucidal dealers who have no respect for the products or themselves and sell at "P-price" or below. When we sell to do-it-yourselfers we charge less than when we are responsible for onsite service, but we are not embarassed to make a profit. We don't get into price wars. Competing only on price is ultimately suicidal, and it is no good for our families or our customers if we can't afford to stay in business. We compete on our overall mix of price/service/selection/info/reputation, etc. This month we celebrate our 24th anniversary in the phone business. Very few phone system vendors have been in business that long. We are both pioneers and survivors. We have become the biggest Panasonic phone system dealer in the world, but we don't have the lowest prices in the world. There's a message there. Michael N. Marcus AbleComm, Inc. but try to imagine the pros and cons > and you'll see > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael N. Marcus" > To: "Dawn Schelinski" > Cc: > Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 5:53 PM > Subject: Re: KX-T: A proper installation > > > > > > > > Just after I was certified on the Panasonic KXTD series, one of the > > > competitors offered me a job with them. One thing they told me in the > > > interview is that when the install is happening, it should be done > right, > > to > > > avoid any return visits. > > > > Dawn, that's a very anti-customer attitude, and ultimately bad for > business, > > too. > > > > Just because an installation is done "right," you can't assume there won't > > be any return visits. > > > > Holding a customer's hand is as important as holding a punchdown tool. > > > > When we install a system, our contract usually specifies two or three > return > > visits for additional instruction, and programming changes. > > > > It's naive to expect that all the employees (or family members) will be > > present -- and will understand and remember -- all of the important > aspects > > of using a system, and will know how they want it programmed. > > > > We know there will be questions and requests for changes, so we make the > > customer know we will be back to help them several times at no additional > > charge; yet we also set a limit to the "free" return trips to protect > > ourselves. > > > > Michael N. Marcus > > AbleComm, Inc. > > www.ablecomm.com etc. > > > > > > > > ********************************************************* > > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > > ********************************************************* > > > > > ********************************************************* > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > ********************************************************* > ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Tue Oct 02 06:05:04 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15oPEM-0003mu-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Tue, 2 Oct 2001 06:05:02 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20011002090418.009e3600@wcnet.org> X-Sender: cnavarro@wcnet.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 09:04:18 -0400 To: kxt@kxthelp.com From: Carl Navarro Subject: Re: KX-T: A proper installation In-Reply-To: <02b101c14b3a$6a125fe0$9865fea9@michael850> References: <026d01c14a21$5947abd0$9865fea9@michael850> <000901c14a75$cfba32c0$6501a8c0@monitor> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk At 01:36 PM 10/1/2001 -0400, Michael N. Marcus wrote: >> do you know what's really bad for business? >> Your published give away prices on your website >> I know what your response is going be, > >Maybe you don't know... > >We don't give phone systems away, Harry. > >Please don't confuse AbleComm with sucidal dealers who have no respect for >the products or themselves and sell at "P-price" or below. I have two (acutoally 8) distinct profit centers in my business, that which comes from sales of material and that which comes from labor. Labor is easy to figure, Gross profit is 100%. New phones, Used phones, Jacks, Accessories have pretty distinct markups..and sometimes new phones will vary by 10%. Experience has taught me that if I can't get a MINIMUM 1.3 mark on material, there's little reason to bring it into stock. Many newcomers will be lazy enough to not do homework and use either a spreadsheet or accounting program that marks up products by some multiplier.... Then they don't understand that they seem to be losing money. A classic example: in 1987 I bought out a guy who marked up everything 1.5. Even the jacks I asked? Yes, but it turned out that our prices were the same. He was paying nearly $3 for a 625-A! jack. (I guess if you buy them 5-10 at a time that's what you have to pay :-). It concerned me because I wasn't going to cut my price to $1.60 for a $4 part. >When we sell to do-it-yourselfers we charge less than when we are >responsible for onsite service, but we are not embarassed to make a profit. I have customers who flash the "internet price" at me and ask me to match it. I tell them that Ablecomm marks up about 1.2 and I need 1.3 and, yes, I'll do it for 1.3 with no support and all labor is T&M. Some customers do opt for that and it really works out O.K. Of course, the "Dash for Cash" rebates and any other perks NEVER, EVER, get passed on to the customer. >We don't get into price wars. Competing only on price is ultimately >suicidal, and it is no good for our families or our customers if we can't >afford to stay in business. > >We compete on our overall mix of price/service/selection/info/reputation, >etc. > >This month we celebrate our 24th anniversary in the phone business. Very few >phone system vendors have been in business that long. We are both pioneers >and survivors. Just a baby...Next April will be 30 in telecomm and 21 as an Interconnect. The newbies who have never seen a 1A2 are the most fun. Government agencies and stock brokers still use it today for the reliability. Carl Navarro ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Tue Oct 02 13:19:35 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15oW0s-0003qU-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Tue, 2 Oct 2001 13:19:34 -0700 From: telecom Subject: KX-T: kxtd308/vps50 To: kxt@kxthelp.com Message-Id: Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 13:19:30 -0700 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Hello there all, Problem 1 I have a kxtd308 with kxtvps50 in a residence. All call on line 1 & 2 are delay to vps50 6 rings. VPS50 answers all call on Line 3 immedately. Now when a fax call comes in from a fax machine, the call is routed to fax extension port, but when a computer send a fax, the call is not sent to the fax port and is being routed to the call group that handles unaswered calls. I check all in programing and can not fine a solution. When listen with a test set I hear the fax machine sending beeping tones continuosly but with computers-fax the tones stops after two beeps. Problem 2 There is a gate at the drive entrance tied to line three. When L3 was delayed a call from gate would be answered by a person (before VPS50) the home owner would just enter 9 and the gate opens. But when the VPS50 route the call between gate (line 3) and phone user (any extention) dailing 9 does not do anthing. What I do not understand is the VPS50 drops off after connecting gate with an extension as it should, so why does it works if vps does not handle the call? Open for suggestions...and thanks Hope someone out there can help...oh... I ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Tue Oct 02 15:47:45 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15oYKG-0003ro-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Tue, 2 Oct 2001 15:47:44 -0700 Message-ID: <3BBA32F7.2F800DC0@ispnsp.net> Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 17:34:47 -0400 From: Hostmaster X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: kxt@kxthelp.com Subject: Re: KX-T: kxtd308/vps50 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Hello Telco Techs What is the difference between a Hybrid PAN-KXTA1232 and a Digital Super Hybrid PAN-KXTD1232. 1. OK The TD1232 can support a T1 card. Besides the obviously "Digital" T1 Card support, What makes the TD1232 digital and the TA1232 analog I presume. 2. What makes the PAN-KXTD308 Digital & KXTA624 Analog etc? 3. The Phone Set Station outputs, I thought they all have digital + analog capability. 4. The CO ports, what is the difference in a TD model vs. a TA or analog model. 5. Is the fundamental diffence between the TD (Digital) and TA/T(Analog) model based on features or is one really Digital and one Anaolog. Where does the Analog stop and Digital begin. What is Panasonics definition of Digital vs. Analog as far as these Phone Systems are concerned. Thanks In Advance hostmaster@ispnsp.net telecom wrote: > Hello there all, > > Problem 1 > I have a kxtd308 with kxtvps50 in a residence. All call on line 1 & 2 are delay to vps50 6 rings. VPS50 answers all call on Line 3 immedately. Now when a fax call comes in from a fax machine, the call is routed to fax extension port, but when a computer send a fax, the call is not sent to the fax port and is being routed to the call group that handles unaswered calls. I check all in programing and can not fine a solution. When listen with a test set I hear the fax machine sending beeping tones continuosly but with computers-fax the tones stops after two beeps. > > Problem 2 > There is a gate at the drive entrance tied to line three. When L3 was delayed a call from gate would be answered by a person (before VPS50) the home owner would just enter 9 and the gate opens. But when the VPS50 route the call between gate (line 3) and phone user (any extention) dailing 9 does not do anthing. What I do not understand is the VPS50 drops off after connecting gate with an extension as it should, so why does it works if vps does not handle the call? > > Open for suggestions...and thanks > > Hope someone out there can help...oh... I > > ********************************************************* > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > ********************************************************* ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Tue Oct 02 15:56:56 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15oYT8-0003s7-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Tue, 2 Oct 2001 15:56:54 -0700 Message-ID: <3BBA3518.F5199E19@ispnsp.net> Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 17:43:52 -0400 From: Hostmaster X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: kxt@kxthelp.com Subject: KX-T: vps50 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk 1. Are there alternative Voices Prompts for the VPS50 2. Is there any Code Upgrades or Patches to give better performance & reliability? hostmaster@ispnsp.net ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Tue Oct 02 19:55:33 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15ocC3-0003uF-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Tue, 2 Oct 2001 19:55:31 -0700 Message-ID: <000501c14bb6$b5fbe580$0200a8c0@u9h9i3> Reply-To: "Randy Dell" From: "Randy Dell" To: Subject: KX-T: The 809 Scam Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 19:54:24 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Does anyone have one of the 809 numbers you found in your or your clients TVS? I found one and want to compare the number. Wouldn't dare call it to find out though. rd ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Tue Oct 02 20:49:02 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15od1o-0003uz-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Tue, 2 Oct 2001 20:49:00 -0700 Message-ID: <20011003034857.64805.qmail@web12007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 20:48:57 -0700 (PDT) From: larry Subject: Re: KX-T: The 809 Scam To: kxt@kxthelp.com In-Reply-To: <000501c14bb6$b5fbe580$0200a8c0@u9h9i3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Geee, what's twenty bucks;-) I'll check my laptop and see if i still have the numbers we found and send it to you directly. -larry --- Randy Dell wrote: > Does anyone have one of the 809 numbers you found in > your or your clients > TVS? I found one and want to compare the number. > Wouldn't dare call it to > find out though. > > > rd __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone. http://phone.yahoo.com ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Tue Oct 02 21:18:44 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15odUY-0003va-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Tue, 2 Oct 2001 21:18:42 -0700 Message-ID: <021701c14bc2$9721d500$0300a8c0@verizon.net> Reply-To: "Charles P" From: "Charles P" To: "Hostmaster" , References: <3BBA32F7.2F800DC0@ispnsp.net> Subject: Re: KX-T: kxtd308/vps50 Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 00:19:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk This may answer a few of your questions, In the digital systems, all communications between the ksu and the digital proprietary phones are completely digital signals on one pair of wires. In the analog systems, the analog proprietary phones have signaling on one pair of wires and analog voice on the other pair of wires. Panasonic made all the KXT digital systems backward compatible with the older analog phones, it will sense what type of phone is plugged in. If it is a standard POTS phone, it will use the first pair for a completely analog connection. If it is a Pana analog/electronic phone set (7000 series for example) it will use the first and second pair. If it is a digital phone (7200 or 7400 series) it will only use the second pair, allowing you to use the first pair for either an analog parallel extension (same extension number) or an "xdp" analog port (unique analog pots extension). So features becomes part of the practical difference, but the way the signals travel is the technical difference. Charles charles@avtele.com Global Communications Tarrytown, NY www.avtele.com www.telephonesecurity.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hostmaster" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 5:34 PM Subject: Re: KX-T: kxtd308/vps50 > Hello Telco Techs > > What is the difference between > a Hybrid PAN-KXTA1232 and a Digital Super Hybrid PAN-KXTD1232. > 1. OK The TD1232 can support a T1 card. Besides the obviously "Digital" T1 Card support, > What makes the TD1232 digital and the TA1232 analog I presume. > > 2. What makes the PAN-KXTD308 Digital & KXTA624 Analog etc? > > 3. The Phone Set Station outputs, I thought they all have digital + analog capability. > > 4. The CO ports, what is the difference in a TD model vs. a TA or analog model. > > 5. Is the fundamental diffence between the TD (Digital) and TA/T(Analog) model based on > features or is one really Digital and one Anaolog. Where does the Analog stop and Digital begin. > What is Panasonics definition of Digital vs. Analog as far as these Phone Systems are concerned. > > Thanks In Advance > > hostmaster@ispnsp.net > > telecom wrote: > > > Hello there all, > > > > Problem 1 > > I have a kxtd308 with kxtvps50 in a residence. All call on line 1 & 2 are delay to vps50 6 rings. VPS50 answers all call on Line 3 immedately. Now when a fax call comes in from a fax machine, the call is routed to fax extension port, but when a computer send a fax, the call is not sent to the fax port and is being routed to the call group that handles unaswered calls. I check all in programing and can not fine a solution. When listen with a test set I hear the fax machine sending beeping tones continuosly but with computers-fax the tones stops after two beeps. > > > > Problem 2 > > There is a gate at the drive entrance tied to line three. When L3 was delayed a call from gate would be answered by a person (before VPS50) the home owner would just enter 9 and the gate opens. But when the VPS50 route the call between gate (line 3) and phone user (any extention) dailing 9 does not do anthing. What I do not understand is the VPS50 drops off after connecting gate with an extension as it should, so why does it works if vps does not handle the call? > > > > Open for suggestions...and thanks > > > > Hope someone out there can help...oh... I > > > > ********************************************************* > > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > > ********************************************************* > > > > ********************************************************* > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > ********************************************************* > > ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Tue Oct 02 22:00:37 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15oe95-0003wP-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Tue, 2 Oct 2001 22:00:36 -0700 Message-ID: <3BBA8A5B.563FD373@ispnsp.net> Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 23:47:39 -0400 From: Hostmaster X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Charles P CC: kxt@kxthelp.com Subject: Re: KX-T: kxtd308/vps50 References: <3BBA32F7.2F800DC0@ispnsp.net> <021701c14bc2$9721d500$0300a8c0@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Charles Thanks for the 411. I assume that the Digital Phones have a higher Signal to Noise Ratio or higher fidelity. Any body know if there is a difference in voice quality. How about the distance between the KSU and the Phone set. A. All Digital Voice Phone - Distance ? B. All Analog Voice Phone - Distance ? Hostmaster Charles P wrote: > This may answer a few of your questions, > > In the digital systems, all communications between the ksu and the digital > proprietary phones are completely digital signals on one pair of wires. > > In the analog systems, the analog proprietary phones have signaling on one > pair of wires and analog voice on the other pair of wires. > > Panasonic made all the KXT digital systems backward compatible with the > older analog phones, it will sense what type of phone is plugged in. If it > is a standard POTS phone, it will use the first pair for a completely analog > connection. If it is a Pana analog/electronic phone set (7000 series for > example) it will use the first and second pair. If it is a digital phone > (7200 or 7400 series) it will only use the second pair, allowing you to use > the first pair for either an analog parallel extension (same extension > number) or an "xdp" analog port (unique analog pots extension). > > So features becomes part of the practical difference, but the way the > signals travel is the technical difference. > > Charles > > charles@avtele.com > Global Communications > Tarrytown, NY > www.avtele.com > www.telephonesecurity.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hostmaster" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 5:34 PM > Subject: Re: KX-T: kxtd308/vps50 > > > Hello Telco Techs > > > > What is the difference between > > a Hybrid PAN-KXTA1232 and a Digital Super Hybrid PAN-KXTD1232. > > 1. OK The TD1232 can support a T1 card. Besides the obviously "Digital" T1 > Card support, > > What makes the TD1232 digital and the TA1232 analog I presume. > > > > 2. What makes the PAN-KXTD308 Digital & KXTA624 Analog etc? > > > > 3. The Phone Set Station outputs, I thought they all have digital + analog > capability. > > > > 4. The CO ports, what is the difference in a TD model vs. a TA or analog > model. > > > > 5. Is the fundamental diffence between the TD (Digital) and TA/T(Analog) > model based on > > features or is one really Digital and one Anaolog. Where does the Analog > stop and Digital begin. > > What is Panasonics definition of Digital vs. Analog as far as these Phone > Systems are concerned. > > > > Thanks In Advance > > > > hostmaster@ispnsp.net > > > > telecom wrote: > > > > > Hello there all, > > > > > > Problem 1 > > > I have a kxtd308 with kxtvps50 in a residence. All call on line 1 & 2 > are delay to vps50 6 rings. VPS50 answers all call on Line 3 immedately. Now > when a fax call comes in from a fax machine, the call is routed to fax > extension port, but when a computer send a fax, the call is not sent to the > fax port and is being routed to the call group that handles unaswered calls. > I check all in programing and can not fine a solution. When listen with a > test set I hear the fax machine sending beeping tones continuosly but with > computers-fax the tones stops after two beeps. > > > > > > Problem 2 > > > There is a gate at the drive entrance tied to line three. When L3 was > delayed a call from gate would be answered by a person (before VPS50) the > home owner would just enter 9 and the gate opens. But when the VPS50 route > the call between gate (line 3) and phone user (any extention) dailing 9 does > not do anthing. What I do not understand is the VPS50 drops off after > connecting gate with an extension as it should, so why does it works if vps > does not handle the call? > > > > > > Open for suggestions...and thanks > > > > > > Hope someone out there can help...oh... I > > > > > > ********************************************************* > > > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > > > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > > > ********************************************************* > > > > > > > > ********************************************************* > > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > > ********************************************************* > > > > > > ********************************************************* > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > ********************************************************* ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Wed Oct 03 05:03:26 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15okkH-000442-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Wed, 3 Oct 2001 05:03:25 -0700 From: "L. M. Rappaport" To: kxt@kxthelp.com Subject: KX-T: Wiring a 1232 Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 08:01:43 -0400 Organization: L. M. Rappaport & Associates, Inc. Reply-To: rapp@lmr.com Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk I'm wiring a Panasonic 1232. It has, I believe 24 or 28 ports to which we are going to attach around 33 extensions using the analog line for some. The 1232 outputs to a patch panel and we were originally thinking that we would wire the extensions to a separate patch panel, but since this would mean hardwiring the combinations, I was wondering what industry practice is. One solution would be to wire the jacks to a patch panel the 1232 to another and then connect both to a 66 or 110 block. Could we set this up so that the block has two patch panels of it's own and use patch cords from the block to both the 1232 panel and the extension panel? How would you setup such a block? Or would it be simpler to just go with the original plan and hardwire the "extension" panel with the combinations needed; i.e., wire the extensions to the appropriate terminals on the patch panel instead of one for one? Thanks, Larry -- rapp@lmr.com ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Wed Oct 03 05:43:57 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15olNT-00044V-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Wed, 3 Oct 2001 05:43:55 -0700 Message-ID: <000c01c14c09$0d81c6b0$aecba8c0@datadist.com> From: "Brian Mitchell" To: Subject: KX-T: Caller ID on KXTD1232 Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 08:43:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C14BE7.862E89D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C14BE7.862E89D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Will a -1 version of the KXTD1232 support caller ID reporting on the = RS232 port before the call has completed, or do you have to go to a -3 = or -4 to get this functionality? 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Will a -1 version of the KXTD1232 = support caller ID=20 reporting on the RS232 port before the call has completed, or do you = have to go=20 to a -3 or -4 to get this functionality?
 
Brian = Mitchell
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C14BE7.862E89D0-- ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Wed Oct 03 06:45:15 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15omKo-00045F-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Wed, 3 Oct 2001 06:45:14 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20011003094429.00a68e00@wcnet.org> X-Sender: cnavarro@wcnet.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 09:44:29 -0400 To: rapp@lmr.com From: Carl Navarro Subject: Re: KX-T: Wiring a 1232 Cc: kxt@kxthelp.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk At 08:01 AM 10/3/2001 -0400, you wrote: >I'm wiring a Panasonic 1232. It has, I believe 24 or 28 ports to >which we are going to attach around 33 extensions using the analog >line for some. The 1232 outputs to a patch panel and we were >originally thinking that we would wire the extensions to a separate >patch panel, but since this would mean hardwiring the combinations, I >was wondering what industry practice is. It depends on your house cable. If the house cable is on blocks, terminate the AMP connectors from the KSU on blocks and run jumpers. If the house cable is on patch cables, I would still terminate the Panasonic on blocks, but set up a corresponding patch field of 4 wire jacks to feed the house cable patch field. Use 110 blocks in this case, because you are gonna end up using 4 rows of block for 48 ports of patch jacks. Now, if you need a digital connection WITH XDP, you run a 2 pair jumper to the jack, or just a 1 pair (try to use the orange-white) for a digital or a 1 pair (blue-white) for an analog port. Carl Navarro rest of message quoted for reference.... >One solution would be to wire the jacks to a patch panel the 1232 to >another and then connect both to a 66 or 110 block. Could we set this >up so that the block has two patch panels of it's own and use patch >cords from the block to both the 1232 panel and the extension panel? >How would you setup such a block? Or would it be simpler to just go >with the original plan and hardwire the "extension" panel with the >combinations needed; i.e., wire the extensions to the appropriate >terminals on the patch panel instead of one for one? ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Wed Oct 03 07:00:45 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15omZn-00045m-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Wed, 3 Oct 2001 07:00:43 -0700 Message-ID: <02a701c14c13$d045a7c0$0300a8c0@verizon.net> From: "Charles Patterson" To: , References: Subject: KX-T: Re: Wiring a 1232 Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 10:00:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk I usually go from the 1232 to 66 blocks, and the station jack wiring goes to separate 66 blocks, then you cross connect the right jack to the right extension. That lets you access the extra pairs that are at each jack location, and lets you access the pairs of the 1232 (if it's digital, you can separate the analog ports). Changes are easy, as long as you have a punch tool... If you expect to need frequent changes, or someone will need to make changes who does not know how to work with punch blocks, then patch panels would work ok. You just may limit access to some of the wiring pairs. charles ----- Original Message ----- From: "L. M. Rappaport" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 8:01 AM Subject: KX-T: Wiring a 1232 > I'm wiring a Panasonic 1232. It has, I believe 24 or 28 ports to > which we are going to attach around 33 extensions using the analog > line for some. The 1232 outputs to a patch panel and we were > originally thinking that we would wire the extensions to a separate > patch panel, but since this would mean hardwiring the combinations, I > was wondering what industry practice is. > > One solution would be to wire the jacks to a patch panel the 1232 to > another and then connect both to a 66 or 110 block. Could we set this > up so that the block has two patch panels of it's own and use patch > cords from the block to both the 1232 panel and the extension panel? > How would you setup such a block? Or would it be simpler to just go > with the original plan and hardwire the "extension" panel with the > combinations needed; i.e., wire the extensions to the appropriate > terminals on the patch panel instead of one for one? > > Thanks, > > Larry > -- > rapp@lmr.com > > > ********************************************************* > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > ********************************************************* > > ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Wed Oct 03 07:33:10 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15on59-00046I-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Wed, 3 Oct 2001 07:33:07 -0700 Message-ID: <051f01c14c17$ee08d6c0$9865fea9@michael850> From: "Michael N. Marcus" To: Cc: References: Subject: KX-T: Re: Wiring a 1232 Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 10:15:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk See the VersaBlock and Tailblock at www.phonegeeks.com/punbloc.html and our patch panel for the 1232 at www.phonegeeks.com/patpanwit25p.html Michael N. Marcus AbleComm, Inc. www.ablecomm.com etc. ----- Original Message ----- From: "L. M. Rappaport" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 8:01 AM Subject: KX-T: Wiring a 1232 > I'm wiring a Panasonic 1232. It has, I believe 24 or 28 ports to > which we are going to attach around 33 extensions using the analog > line for some. The 1232 outputs to a patch panel and we were > originally thinking that we would wire the extensions to a separate > patch panel, but since this would mean hardwiring the combinations, I > was wondering what industry practice is. > > One solution would be to wire the jacks to a patch panel the 1232 to > another and then connect both to a 66 or 110 block. Could we set this > up so that the block has two patch panels of it's own and use patch > cords from the block to both the 1232 panel and the extension panel? > How would you setup such a block? Or would it be simpler to just go > with the original plan and hardwire the "extension" panel with the > combinations needed; i.e., wire the extensions to the appropriate > terminals on the patch panel instead of one for one? > > Thanks, > > Larry > -- > rapp@lmr.com > > > ********************************************************* > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > ********************************************************* > ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Wed Oct 03 07:33:10 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15on59-00046J-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Wed, 3 Oct 2001 07:33:07 -0700 Message-ID: <052101c14c17$f112bb60$9865fea9@michael850> From: "Michael N. Marcus" To: Subject: KX-T: new system phones Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 10:28:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0519_01C14BF6.1E541730" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0519_01C14BF6.1E541730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The KX-T7300 series phones, previously not available in the US, are = here.=20 They are analog phones, and will work with KX-T analog and digital = systems.=20 They look less office-like than the 7000 series phones, which are NOT = being discontinued. First online info is at www.ablecomm.com/7300.htm Michael N. Marcus AbleComm.com www.ablecomm.com etc. ------=_NextPart_000_0519_01C14BF6.1E541730 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The KX-T7300 series phones, previously = not=20 available in the US, are here.
 
They are analog phones, and will work = with KX-T=20 analog and digital systems.
 
They look less office-like than the = 7000 series=20 phones, which are NOT being discontinued.
 
First online info is at www.ablecomm.com/7300.htm
 
Michael N. Marcus
AbleComm.com
www.ablecomm.com=20 etc.
------=_NextPart_000_0519_01C14BF6.1E541730-- ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Wed Oct 03 08:57:14 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15ooOW-00047X-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Wed, 3 Oct 2001 08:57:12 -0700 Message-ID: <00b201c14c23$b3b58a70$07c7f9c7@marc2000ws> From: "Marc L. Kozam" To: References: <052101c14c17$f112bb60$9865fea9@michael850> Subject: KX-T: Re: new system phones Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 11:54:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk > The KX-T7300 series phones, previously not available in the US, are here. Other than the more European styling (which I don't personally like), I can't see a compelling reason to favor these phones over the KX-T70XX series. Perhaps pricing is a bit lower. Marc kozam@mlksoft.com ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Wed Oct 03 13:02:27 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15osDp-00049j-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Wed, 3 Oct 2001 13:02:25 -0700 Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 13:02:22 -0700 From: Jim Gottlieb To: kxt@kxthelp.com Subject: Re: KX-T: kxtd308/vps50 Message-ID: <20011003130222.C9045@nccom.com> References: <3BBA32F7.2F800DC0@ispnsp.net> <021701c14bc2$9721d500$0300a8c0@verizon.net> <3BBA8A5B.563FD373@ispnsp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3BBA8A5B.563FD373@ispnsp.net>; from hostmaster@ispnsp.net on Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 11:47:39PM -0400 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk On 2001-10-02 at 23:47, Hostmaster (hostmaster@ispnsp.net) wrote: > I assume that the Digital Phones have a higher Signal to Noise Ratio > or higher fidelity. Actually, I'd say they sound worse, especially on outside calls. Well, to be accurate it's the digital systems that sound worse; which phone you're using doesn't really matter. The analog-to-digital conversion on the KX-TD systems results in a fair amount of hiss on outside calls. I find it especially problematic when speaking to women with soft voices. Sometimes the hiss and the voice are at about the same level. ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Wed Oct 03 18:20:24 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15oxBW-0004CJ-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Wed, 3 Oct 2001 18:20:22 -0700 Message-ID: <001e01c14c71$f3252dc0$0200a8c0@u9h9i3> Reply-To: "Randy Dell" From: "Randy Dell" To: Subject: Fw: KX-T: Re: new system phones Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 18:14:43 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk I have had 3 of the phones for some time now and below are my likes and dislikes. The main reason I like the phone is that the program switch is now a button on the front, and the volume is also on the front. The BIG reason I don't like them, the F1-F4 buttons are gone. rd -----Original Message----- From: Marc L. Kozam To: kxt@kxthelp.com Date: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 8:56 AM Subject: KX-T: Re: new system phones > The KX-T7300 series phones, previously not available in the US, are here. Other than the more European styling (which I don't personally like), I can't see a compelling reason to favor these phones over the KX-T70XX series. Perhaps pricing is a bit lower. Marc kozam@mlksoft.com ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Wed Oct 03 18:53:52 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15oxhu-0004Ct-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Wed, 3 Oct 2001 18:53:50 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Luis H. Acosta" To: Subject: KX-T: INFORMATION FOR KXT123210 Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 22:52:26 -0300 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Disposition-Notification-To: "Luis H. Acosta" Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk HELLO EVERYBODY! I ALWAYS READ YOUR MAILS, AND I FIND THEM VERY USEFULL. RIGHT NOW, I HAVE PROBLEMS TO UNDERSTAND THE WAY TO PROGRAMM A PANASONIC (CENTRAL) EXCHANGE KXT 123210. I NEED SOME MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE BEST WAY TO PROGRAMM IT, THE EXTENSIONS AND THE RESTRICTION BOARDS. HERE I SEND YOU THE PROGRAMM CODES TO LET YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. CODE 10 TOLL RESTRICCION AREA TYPE A/B/C CODE 11 CO OPERATOR CALL BOUNDARY CLASS CODE 13 EXCHANGE CODE SELECTION CODE 14 AREA CODE ENTRY FOR CLASS 3 CODE 15 EXCHANGE CODE ENTRY FOR CLASS 5 CODE 16 EXCHANGE CODE ENTRY FOR CLASS 7 CODE 61 CLASS ASIGNMENT OF TOLL RESTRICCION DAY CODE 62 CLASS ASIGNMENT OF TOLL RESTRICCION NIGHT THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR HELP. Luis Acosta, Técnico electrónico y en comunicaciones ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Wed Oct 03 19:25:13 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15oyCF-0004DW-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Wed, 3 Oct 2001 19:25:11 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20011003222416.00a69fd0@wcnet.org> X-Sender: cnavarro@wcnet.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 22:24:16 -0400 To: , From: Carl Navarro Subject: Re: KX-T: INFORMATION FOR KXT123210 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk At 10:52 PM 10/3/2001 -0300, Luis H. Acosta wrote: > >HELLO EVERYBODY! > >I ALWAYS READ YOUR MAILS, AND I FIND THEM VERY USEFULL. RIGHT NOW, I HAVE >PROBLEMS TO UNDERSTAND THE WAY TO PROGRAMM A PANASONIC (CENTRAL) EXCHANGE >KXT 123210. I NEED SOME MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE BEST WAY TO PROGRAMM IT, >THE EXTENSIONS AND THE RESTRICTION BOARDS. The BEST way to program it is to take a CPU from an 11D3. The toll restriction tables were designed when toll calls begin with 1+ and the second digit of an area code was 0/1. There may be a way around it, but the quickest and easiest way is to CHANGE OUT THE CPU card. If you are really serious about trying to make it work, take a couple of stiff drinks and reconsider :-) Carl Navarro ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Wed Oct 03 20:27:31 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15ozAX-0004EI-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Wed, 3 Oct 2001 20:27:29 -0700 Message-ID: <035c01c14c84$9a345700$0300a8c0@verizon.net> Reply-To: "Charles P" From: "Charles P" To: "kxthelp" Subject: KX-T: analog 616 squeal Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 23:28:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Customer has an analog 616. They report that at least a couple of times each day, incoming callers will hear a squeal then the phone disconnects and they have to call back. The office personnel answer the call but only get the hang up (they don't hear the squeal internally). It happens on any phone, and on any line, various times of day. Verizon says it's not their problem. any clues on this one? Charles charles@telephonesecurity.com Global Communications Tarrytown, NY www.avtele.com www.telephonesecurity.com ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Wed Oct 03 20:55:39 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15ozbl-0004Eh-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Wed, 3 Oct 2001 20:55:37 -0700 Message-ID: <001001c14c88$ac31e9a0$0200a8c0@workshop> From: "William C. Ratcliffe" To: "Charles P" Cc: "KXT Mailing list" References: <035c01c14c84$9a345700$0300a8c0@verizon.net> Subject: KX-T: Re: analog 616 squeal Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 23:56:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Are the telco trunks 1MB or PBX class of service? Have there been any facilities changes, like new poles, re-routed roads (which required telco cable movement) in the area? If it is not the -616 doing the squeal, I'd suspect PBX-class lines with CO MFT units on each line. They will go nuts if the telco cable gets "longer" or gains a bridge tap somewhere along the way..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles P" To: "kxthelp" Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 11:28 PM Subject: KX-T: analog 616 squeal > Customer has an analog 616. They report that at least a couple of times each > day, incoming callers will hear a squeal then the phone disconnects and they > have to call back. The office personnel answer the call but only get the > hang up (they don't hear the squeal internally). > > It happens on any phone, and on any line, various times of day. Verizon > says it's not their problem. > > any clues on this one? > > Charles > > > > charles@telephonesecurity.com > Global Communications > Tarrytown, NY > www.avtele.com > www.telephonesecurity.com > > > > ********************************************************* > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > ********************************************************* > ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Thu Oct 04 01:24:38 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15p3o4-0004H6-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 01:24:36 -0700 Message-ID: From: Michael Duffy To: "KXTD Help (E-mail)" Subject: KX-T: KXTA616 Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 09:23:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Dear KXTD Has anybody installed the new pulse metering card for the above system. I am having a problem with code 921 currency assign what do you put in for this code?????? Can anybody help. Regards Michael ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Thu Oct 04 18:13:28 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15pJYM-0004Sq-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 18:13:26 -0700 From: johnk@opel.secondsource.com (John Kennedy) Message-Id: <10110050111.AA08678@opel.secondsource.com> Subject: KX-T: 66 block to RJ11/RJ45 adapters To: kxt@kxthelp.com Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 21:11:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 264 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Funny how the handiest things disappear. Anyone have a source for the adapters that fit onto the pins of a 66 block and allow connection of an RJ11 or RJ45 plug? -- John Kennedy johnk@secondsource.com Second Source, Inc. Annapolis, MD USA ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Thu Oct 04 18:24:38 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15pJjA-0004TB-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 18:24:36 -0700 Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 21:25:03 -0400 From: JimMarks Subject: KX-T: Re: 66 block to RJ11/RJ45 adapters To: John Kennedy , kxt@kxthelp.com Message-id: <000701c14d3c$8ee17000$b554be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <10110050111.AA08678@opel.secondsource.com> Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Graybar has them Anyone have a source for the adapters that fit onto the pins of a 66 block and allow connection of an RJ11 or RJ45 plug? ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Thu Oct 04 18:31:15 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15pJpa-0004TW-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 18:31:14 -0700 Message-ID: <001901c14d3d$57ed5540$0c00a8c0@bobserver> From: "Bob Bruskin" To: "John Kennedy" Cc: "kxt help" References: <10110050111.AA08678@opel.secondsource.com> Subject: KX-T: Re: 66 block to RJ11/RJ45 adapters Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 21:30:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Specialized Products Fall 2001 Catalog Page 183. Has anyone seen the Krone Test Adapter that splits the telco from the customer with test ears? Bob Halstead Electronics Ltd. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Kennedy" To: Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 9:11 PM Subject: KX-T: 66 block to RJ11/RJ45 adapters > > Funny how the handiest things disappear. Anyone have a source > for the adapters that fit onto the pins of a 66 block and allow > connection of an RJ11 or RJ45 plug? > > -- > John Kennedy johnk@secondsource.com > Second Source, Inc. > Annapolis, MD USA > > > ********************************************************* > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > ********************************************************* ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Thu Oct 04 20:19:13 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15pLW3-0004Ug-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Thu, 4 Oct 2001 20:19:11 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20011004231822.00a71f30@wcnet.org> X-Sender: cnavarro@wcnet.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 23:18:22 -0400 To: kxt@kxthelp.com From: Carl Navarro Subject: Re: KX-T: Re: 66 block to RJ11/RJ45 adapters Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk >Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 23:17:47 -0400 >To: JimMarks >From: Carl Navarro >Subject: Re: KX-T: Re: 66 block to RJ11/RJ45 adapters >In-Reply-To: <000701c14d3c$8ee17000$b554be18@oemcomputer> >References: <10110050111.AA08678@opel.secondsource.com> > >At 09:25 PM 10/4/2001 -0400, you wrote: >>Graybar has them >> >> Anyone have a source >> for the adapters that fit onto the pins of a 66 block and allow >> connection of an RJ11 or RJ45 plug? > >The RJ-45 (568-B) is a BR866-JC. About $8 from your supply house that sells Hubbell. > >I used to get the 4-pin modules from a company called Telcor. They also made an inexpensive cable reel roller. I don't know if they're still in business, but you might do a web search. >I also think my cord lady (ASI) sells them. > > > > > > >Carl Navarro > > ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Fri Oct 05 09:17:12 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15pXew-0004eh-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Fri, 5 Oct 2001 09:17:10 -0700 From: johnk@opel.secondsource.com (John Kennedy) Message-Id: <10110051615.AA11198@opel.secondsource.com> Subject: Re: KX-T: 66 block to RJ11/RJ45 adapters To: kxt@kxthelp.com Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 12:15:17 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <10110050111.AA08678@opel.secondsource.com> from "John Kennedy" at Oct 4, 1 09:11:22 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 333 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Thanks for all the responses. I have some on order. > > > Funny how the handiest things disappear. Anyone have a source > for the adapters that fit onto the pins of a 66 block and allow > connection of an RJ11 or RJ45 plug? > -- John Kennedy johnk@secondsource.com Second Source, Inc. Annapolis, MD USA ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Fri Oct 05 09:36:38 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15pXxk-0004f1-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Fri, 5 Oct 2001 09:36:36 -0700 From: johnk@opel.secondsource.com To: kxt@kxthelp.com Message-Id: <10110051615.AA11198@opel.secondsource.com> Subject: Re: KX-T: 66 block to RJ11/RJ45 adapters Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 12:15:17 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <10110050111.AA08678@opel.secondsource.com> from "John Kennedy" at Oct 4, 1 09:11:22 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 333 X-Note: This E-mail was sent from sinden.nccom.com. ([198.51.175.35]). X-RCPT-TO: X-UIDL: 287 Status: U Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Thanks for all the responses. I have some on order. > > > Funny how the handiest things disappear. Anyone have a source > for the adapters that fit onto the pins of a 66 block and allow > connection of an RJ11 or RJ45 plug? > -- John Kennedy johnk@secondsource.com Second Source, Inc. Annapolis, MD USA ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Fri Oct 05 09:45:19 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15pY69-0004fR-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Fri, 5 Oct 2001 09:45:17 -0700 From: johnk@opel.secondsource.com To: kxt@kxthelp.com Message-Id: <10110051615.AA11198@opel.secondsource.com> Subject: Re: KX-T: 66 block to RJ11/RJ45 adapters Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 12:15:17 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <10110050111.AA08678@opel.secondsource.com> from "John Kennedy" at Oct 4, 1 09:11:22 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 333 X-Note: This E-mail was sent from sinden.nccom.com. ([198.51.175.35]). X-RCPT-TO: Status: U X-Note: This E-mail was sent from sinden.nccom.com. ([198.51.175.35]). X-UIDL: 289 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Thanks for all the responses. I have some on order. > > > Funny how the handiest things disappear. Anyone have a source > for the adapters that fit onto the pins of a 66 block and allow > connection of an RJ11 or RJ45 plug? > -- John Kennedy johnk@secondsource.com Second Source, Inc. Annapolis, MD USA ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Fri Oct 05 10:00:18 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15pYKf-0004fx-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Fri, 5 Oct 2001 10:00:17 -0700 From: johnk@opel.secondsource.com To: kxt@kxthelp.com Message-Id: <10110051615.AA11198@opel.secondsource.com> Subject: Re: KX-T: 66 block to RJ11/RJ45 adapters Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 12:15:17 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <10110050111.AA08678@opel.secondsource.com> from "John Kennedy" at Oct 4, 1 09:11:22 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 333 X-Note: This E-mail was sent from sinden.nccom.com. ([198.51.175.35]). X-RCPT-TO: Status: U X-Note: This E-mail was sent from sinden.nccom.com. ([198.51.175.35]). X-Note: This E-mail was sent from sinden.nccom.com. ([198.51.175.35]). X-UIDL: 290 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Thanks for all the responses. I have some on order. > > > Funny how the handiest things disappear. Anyone have a source > for the adapters that fit onto the pins of a 66 block and allow > connection of an RJ11 or RJ45 plug? > -- John Kennedy johnk@secondsource.com Second Source, Inc. Annapolis, MD USA ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Fri Oct 05 12:19:09 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15paV1-0004hC-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Fri, 5 Oct 2001 12:19:07 -0700 Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 21:18:21 +0200 (CEST) From: Eternity To: kxt@kxthelp.com Subject: KX-T: Flexible Keys In-Reply-To: <10110051615.AA11198@opel.secondsource.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Hi! I wonder how I can program a flexible button to redirect all calls to that extension to a voicemailbox. Is it also possible to have functions that redirect to mailbox if no answer in 5 rings? Christian ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Fri Oct 05 13:23:58 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15pbVl-0004i2-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Fri, 5 Oct 2001 13:23:57 -0700 Message-ID: <01a101c14ddb$b1a45cc0$0300a8c0@verizon.net> From: "Charles Patterson" To: "Eternity" , References: Subject: KX-T: Re: Flexible Keys Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 16:24:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk That is what the forward button (fwd/dnd) does. Setting it will depend on what system you have. charles ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eternity" To: Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 3:18 PM Subject: KX-T: Flexible Keys > Hi! > > I wonder how I can program a flexible button to redirect all calls to that > extension to a voicemailbox. Is it also possible to have functions that > redirect to mailbox if no answer in 5 rings? > > Christian > > > > > ********************************************************* > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > ********************************************************* > > ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Fri Oct 05 13:39:51 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15pbl7-0004iM-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Fri, 5 Oct 2001 13:39:49 -0700 From: Ben Hirsch Subject: KX-T: night day To: kxt@kxthelp.com Message-Id: Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 13:39:46 -0700 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Hi, I have a KXTD1232 and a voice mail 100. I have it set up for work hours from 9-6. However yesterday I tried changing the day schedule and now I find that the voice mail unit doesn't intercept the call at all. I have the Voice Mail master program and I set up the day and night features through that software but it won't intercept the calls. You guys always helped me out of trouble spots before. How abouth this one? Thanks in advance. Ben ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Fri Oct 05 15:14:53 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15pdF6-0004kB-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Fri, 5 Oct 2001 15:14:52 -0700 From: "Jay Moore" To: "John Kennedy" , Subject: RE: KX-T: 66 block to RJ11/RJ45 adapters Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 17:17:00 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <10110050111.AA08678@opel.secondsource.com> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk I'm looking at one of the adapters now. The unit says "Testar 4". I believe they also make a "6 & 8" configuration. -----Original Message----- From: owner-kxt@nccom.com [mailto:owner-kxt@nccom.com]On Behalf Of John Kennedy Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 8:11 PM To: kxt@kxthelp.com Subject: KX-T: 66 block to RJ11/RJ45 adapters Funny how the handiest things disappear. Anyone have a source for the adapters that fit onto the pins of a 66 block and allow connection of an RJ11 or RJ45 plug? -- John Kennedy johnk@secondsource.com Second Source, Inc. Annapolis, MD USA ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Fri Oct 05 15:45:45 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15pdix-0004ko-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Fri, 5 Oct 2001 15:45:43 -0700 Message-ID: <003701c14def$d71dee30$07c7f9c7@marc2000ws> From: "Marc L. Kozam" To: "Ben Hirsch" , References: Subject: KX-T: Re: night day Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 18:48:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk > Hi, > I have a KXTD1232 and a voice mail 100. I have it set up for work hours from 9-6. However yesterday I tried changing the day schedule and now I find that the voice mail unit doesn't intercept the call at all. I have the Voice Mail master program and I set up the day and night features through that software but it won't intercept the calls. You guys always helped me out of trouble spots before. How abouth this one? The KX-TD1232 controls intercept routing to voice mail, so you need to make changes there, rather than on the voice mail system. Marc kozam@mlksoft.com ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Fri Oct 05 17:03:17 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15pevz-0004m0-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Fri, 5 Oct 2001 17:03:15 -0700 Message-ID: <000f01c14dfa$687d7620$0300a8c0@verizon.net> From: "Charles Patterson" To: "Ben Hirsch" , References: Subject: KX-T: Re: night day Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 20:04:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk The day/night schedule of the voicemail basically only affects which messages are played unless you made changes in the port assignments somehow. Did you change any of the schedules in the D1232? charles ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Hirsch" To: Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 4:39 PM Subject: KX-T: night day > Hi, > I have a KXTD1232 and a voice mail 100. I have it set up for work hours from 9-6. However yesterday I tried changing the day schedule and now I find that the voice mail unit doesn't intercept the call at all. I have the Voice Mail master program and I set up the day and night features through that software but it won't intercept the calls. You guys always helped me out of trouble spots before. How abouth this one? > Thanks in advance. > Ben > > > > ********************************************************* > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > ********************************************************* > > ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Fri Oct 05 17:49:11 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15pfeP-0004mW-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Fri, 5 Oct 2001 17:49:09 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [200.50.162.38] From: "Carlos A. Conesa" To: Subject: KX-T: E&M Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 09:49:46 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0029_01C14D83.110B6AE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Oct 2001 00:48:36.0351 (UTC) FILETIME=[A1BC18F0:01C14E00] Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C14D83.110B6AE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello to all: =20 I need that somebody helps me, please: =20 I have to program a E&M card =20 I have to call for E&M to the extension 2699 but to prefix this number = the 120 number =20 The sequence would be: =20 1=BA - to take line with 82 =20 2=BA - to Dial 120 =20 3=BA - to Dial 2699 =20 =20 Some idea? =20 Thanks to all. =20 Carlos Conesa ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C14D83.110B6AE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello to all:  
I need = that somebody=20 helps me, please:  
I have to program a E&M card  =
I=20 have to call for E&M to the extension 2699 but to prefix this number = the 120=20 number  
The sequence would be:  
1=BA - to = take line=20 with 82 
2=BA - to Dial 120  
3=BA - to Dial = 2699 =20
 
Some idea?  
Thanks to all.  =20
Carlos=20 Conesa
------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C14D83.110B6AE0-- ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Fri Oct 05 18:09:04 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15pfxe-0004nL-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Fri, 5 Oct 2001 18:09:02 -0700 From: Mack Subject: KX-T: Customer wants to monitor customer servi To: kxt@kxthelp.com Message-Id: Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 18:08:59 -0700 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk I have a customer that wants to monitor and record customer service calls to improve service. They are running a KX-TD1232 system. Is there a 3rd party unit that can be integrated to the system? ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Fri Oct 05 19:26:41 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15phAl-0004o9-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Fri, 5 Oct 2001 19:26:39 -0700 Message-ID: <003f01c14e0e$6a6fb920$0300a8c0@verizon.net> From: "Charles Patterson" To: "Mack" , References: Subject: KX-T: Re: Customer wants to monitor customer servi Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 22:27:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk There are a couple ways to go. I set up one customer so the supervisor could conference with any of the operators. The supervisor had a headset with a mute switch, and a tape recorder interfaced through the handset jack. There were only a few operators. One drawback with this is that the operators could easily tell that the supervisor was connected by looking at their phone. The other way is to use a service observing unit such as the DEES CM-30 or The Viking SO-24. They are not cheap which is why that one customer of mine went with the conferencing. I installed the Viking SO-24 and it worked well for another customer. There is a connection for one supervisor telephone, and connections for the co lines. The supervisor can dial digits to select which line to monitor, then press another specified digit to join the conversation, and another digit to start a tape recorder. The Viking unit handles up to 24 lines, the DEES unit up to 30 (DEES does not have the recording feature, but you could still connect a recorder to the supervisor phone). You can also feed the tip/ring of the supervisor phone connection into an unused co port on the ksu to allow monitoring from other phones on the system. We even set the Viking unit up with a cordless phone for the supervisor, so he could walk around the call center and choose who to listen to while he was standing near them. There was a bit of a problem with the lower voltage on the line needed for the cordless to operate. A hardwired phone worked fine but the cordless phone needed an extra battery in the line. Charles charles@telephonesecurity.com Global Communications Tarrytown, NY www.avtele.com www.telephonesecurity.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mack" To: Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:08 PM Subject: KX-T: Customer wants to monitor customer servi > I have a customer that wants to monitor and record customer service calls to improve service. They are running a KX-TD1232 system. Is there a 3rd party unit that can be integrated to the system? > > > > ********************************************************* > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > ********************************************************* > ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Sat Oct 06 07:54:04 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15psq2-0004xi-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Sat, 6 Oct 2001 07:54:02 -0700 To: charles@avtele.com Cc: Phonemanii@aol.com, kxt@kxthelp.com Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 09:18:17 -0400 Subject: Re: KX-T: Re: Customer wants to monitor customer servi Message-ID: <20011006.105824.-532841.10.dr.dongle@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2,4-5,7-92,94-97 From: Chris L Snyder Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Melco 330 "service observers" are readily available on the used equipment market for about 150.00 and will allow monitoring of up to 32 ports. They work just like the the Viking and Dees units and require a -24 volt powersupply On Fri, 5 Oct 2001 22:27:15 -0400 "Charles Patterson" writes: > There are a couple ways to go. > I set up one customer so the supervisor could conference with any of > the > operators. The supervisor had a headset with a mute switch, and a > tape > recorder interfaced through the handset jack. There were only a few > operators. One drawback with this is that the operators could easily > tell > that the supervisor was connected by looking at their phone. > > The other way is to use a service observing unit such as the DEES > CM-30 or > The Viking SO-24. They are not cheap which is why that one customer > of mine > went with the conferencing. I installed the Viking SO-24 and it > worked well > for another customer. > > There is a connection for one supervisor telephone, and connections > for the > co lines. The supervisor can dial digits to select which line to > monitor, > then press another specified digit to join the conversation, and > another > digit to start a tape recorder. The Viking unit handles up to 24 > lines, the > DEES unit up to 30 (DEES does not have the recording feature, but > you could > still connect a recorder to the supervisor phone). > > You can also feed the tip/ring of the supervisor phone connection > into an > unused co port on the ksu to allow monitoring from other phones on > the > system. > > We even set the Viking unit up with a cordless phone for the > supervisor, so > he could walk around the call center and choose who to listen to > while he > was standing near them. There was a bit of a problem with the lower > voltage > on the line needed for the cordless to operate. A hardwired phone > worked > fine but the cordless phone needed an extra battery in the line. > > Charles > > charles@telephonesecurity.com > Global Communications > Tarrytown, NY > www.avtele.com > www.telephonesecurity.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mack" > To: > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 9:08 PM > Subject: KX-T: Customer wants to monitor customer servi > > > > I have a customer that wants to monitor and record customer > service calls > to improve service. They are running a KX-TD1232 system. Is there > a 3rd > party unit that can be integrated to the system? > > > > > > > > ********************************************************* > > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > > ********************************************************* > > > > > > ********************************************************* > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > ********************************************************* > All that is necessary for EVIL to triumph is for good people to do NOTHING! -Edmund Burke- Chris Snyder KD4 OGD Cosby, Tn. dr.dongle@juno.com Stop the madness...vote LIBERTARIAN ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Sat Oct 06 11:10:36 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15pvuF-0004zd-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Sat, 6 Oct 2001 11:10:35 -0700 Message-ID: <003501c14e91$e5eca440$2cac0742@DadsComputer> From: "Michael R. Matheson" To: Subject: KX-T: KX-TD1232 and Caller ID Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 12:08:26 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0031_01C14E5F.9A8128A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C14E5F.9A8128A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, I have the Panasonic KX-TD1232 phone system and have been using the Programmator software from Russia successfully for some time now. I recently activated Caller ID with my telephone company and installed the KX-TD193 Caller ID card. I can't get the Caller ID feature to work on my phone system. I know that Caller ID has indeed been activated by the telephone company because if I hook up a standard telephone company Caller ID box to my CO line 1 in front of the phone system, it displays the name and number of people who call. But none of this information is displayed on the Panasonic digital proprietary telephones. I have edited CO line 1 with Params, Caller ID, "Yes". I have even replaced the first KX-TD193 card with a new card in case it was defective. All of the telephones are set so that the "initial display" is "Caller ID". It still doesn't work. Do I possibly have to make a programming change under Parameters, Caller ID, Extensions Tab, Exp1:? Currently, Exp1 is set to "Not Stored". Should I change this to Port 1 or Port 2? Please help. I don't know what's wrong. Sincerely, Michael ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C14E5F.9A8128A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello,
 
I have the Panasonic KX-TD1232 phone system and have been using the = Programmator software from Russia successfully for some time now.  = I=20 recently activated Caller ID with my telephone company and installed the = KX-TD193 Caller ID card.  I can't get the Caller ID = feature to=20 work on my phone system.  I know that Caller ID has = indeed=20 been activated by the telephone company because if I hook up=20 a standard telephone company Caller ID box to my CO line=20 1 in front of the phone system, it displays the name and number of=20 people who call.  But none of this information is displayed on = the Panasonic digital proprietary telephones.  I have = edited CO=20 line 1 with Params, Caller ID, "Yes".  I have even replaced the = first=20 KX-TD193 card with a new card in case it was defective.  All of the = telephones are set so that the "initial display" is "Caller ID".  = It still=20 doesn't work.  Do I possibly have to make a programming = change=20 under Parameters, Caller ID, Extensions Tab, Exp1:?  Currently, = Exp1=20 is set to "Not Stored".  Should I change this to Port 1 = or Port=20 2?  Please help.  I don't know what's wrong.
 
Sincerely,
 
Michael       
= ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C14E5F.9A8128A0-- ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Sat Oct 06 15:07:04 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15pzb4-000528-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Sat, 6 Oct 2001 15:07:02 -0700 Message-ID: <001301c14dfb$935c14e0$e1dec6cf@budman.fcc.net> From: "JOEL WEISER" To: Subject: KX-T: QUICK QUESTIONS Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 20:11:53 -0400 Resent-From: jimmy@nccom.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 15:06:59 -0700 Resent-To: kxt@nccom.com Resent-Message-Id: Sender: owner-kxt Precedence: bulk quick question.... ok, i'll repeat it... Correct me if I am wrong, i remember that on dash 3 and earlier = versions the tvs system was able to transfer into a UCD Group, but not = into the UCD timetable, the caller went into the "Q" but did not recieve = the recorded messages from the disa card.=20 QUESTION...... in the dash 4 systems is it posible for the tvs system to = transfer into a UCD group and for that caller to be treated by the UCD = timetable, thus getting a message every 30-6- seconds that says = something like "please continue to hold" I remember there was some talk of having the engineers make that change = somewhere along the way. I installed my first ta1232 last week - I had no idea that there was a = new system out. when I saw the box - I had a 10 min argument, with the dealer that I was = working for, that the system is not for the U.S. market QUESTION.....Do you have the manuals for the TA1232 on a disk or in = separate files that you can email me or is there any way for me to = download them? if you have it on a cd please mail me one at ........ JOEL WEISER 1832 WEST 7TH STREET BROOKLYN, NY 11223 QUESTION.... Can you program the ta1232 with the laptop?? see ya's JOEL ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Sat Oct 06 15:07:37 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15pzbb-00052R-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Sat, 6 Oct 2001 15:07:35 -0700 Message-ID: <001501c14e97$b731b180$0200a8c0@u9h9i3> Reply-To: "Randy Dell" From: "Randy Dell" To: "Michael R. Matheson" , Subject: Re: KX-T: KX-TD1232 and Caller ID Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 11:50:05 -0700 Resent-From: jimmy@nccom.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 15:07:32 -0700 Resent-To: kxt@nccom.com Resent-Message-Id: Sender: owner-kxt Precedence: bulk Michael It sounds like you have done what it takes, there are 2 other = possibilities that I know of.=20 1, Are you aware that the location for the KX-TD193 card for the first 4 = ports is in the lower position on the board, just like the jacks for = lines 1-4 are below thoes of lines 5-8? 2, You must wait for the CID to arrive, between the first and second = ring before the CID can be displayed.=20 rd ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Sat Oct 06 15:50:48 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15q0HP-00052x-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Sat, 6 Oct 2001 15:50:47 -0700 Message-ID: <20011006225043.58277.qmail@web20808.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 15:50:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Herron Subject: KX-T: Upgrades To: Panie Listserv MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk I have the Panasonic KX-TA624 Phone System. Are there any "functional upgrades" for this system? Say to add features, or enhance those already present. If so where would I get the upgrades? Thanks ---Frank __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Sat Oct 06 18:46:32 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15q31S-00054t-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Sat, 6 Oct 2001 18:46:30 -0700 From: To: "Michael R. Matheson" , Subject: RE: KX-T: KX-TD1232 and Caller ID Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 21:21:21 -0400 Message-ID: Resent-From: jimmy@nccom.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 18:46:28 -0700 Resent-To: kxt@nccom.com Resent-Message-Id: Sender: owner-kxt Precedence: bulk Note of Caution.... When installing CID 193 cards in a 1232 digital system, make sure the first CID card is NOT at the top of the system's CO board... if it IS in the top position, your CID board is connected to CO's 5,6,7,8. Simply move the CID board to the lower of the two positions.... then your card will be connected to CO's 1, 2, 3, 4. If you've got a dash 2, 3, or 4, your CID information will be displayed on any telephone that the CO is programmed to ring on. ...and, yes, you have to turn ON CID in the LINE settings screen. That should do it. ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Sat Oct 06 18:49:57 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15q34m-00055C-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Sat, 6 Oct 2001 18:49:56 -0700 To: budman@uscom.com Cc: kxt@kxthelp.com Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 20:15:53 -0400 Subject: Re: KX-T: QUICK QUESTIONS Message-ID: <20011006.215347.-573689.3.dr.dongle@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-2,4-53,55-58 From: Chris L Snyder Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk I believe the TA 1232 is the new replacement for the old 1232 analog it looks just like a D1232 but is Analog. On Fri, 5 Oct 2001 20:11:53 -0400 "JOEL WEISER" writes: > quick question.... ok, i'll repeat it... > > Correct me if I am wrong, i remember that on dash 3 and earlier = > versions the tvs system was able to transfer into a UCD Group, but > not = > into the UCD timetable, the caller went into the "Q" but did not > recieve = > the recorded messages from the disa card.=20 > > QUESTION...... in the dash 4 systems is it posible for the tvs > system to = > transfer into a UCD group and for that caller to be treated by the > UCD = > timetable, thus getting a message every 30-6- seconds that says = > something like "please continue to hold" > I remember there was some talk of having the engineers make that > change = > somewhere along the way. > > > I installed my first ta1232 last week - I had no idea that there was > a = > new system out. > when I saw the box - I had a 10 min argument, with the dealer that I > was = > working for, that the system is not for the U.S. market > > QUESTION.....Do you have the manuals for the TA1232 on a disk or in > = > separate files that you can email me or is there any way for me to > = > download them? if you have it on a cd please mail me one at > ........ > JOEL WEISER > 1832 WEST 7TH STREET > BROOKLYN, NY 11223 > QUESTION.... Can you program the ta1232 with the laptop?? > > see ya's JOEL > > > > ********************************************************* > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > ********************************************************* > All that is necessary for EVIL to triumph is for good people to do NOTHING! -Edmund Burke- Chris Snyder KD4 OGD Cosby, Tn. dr.dongle@juno.com Stop the madness...vote LIBERTARIAN ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Sat Oct 06 19:18:47 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15q3Wf-00055q-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Sat, 6 Oct 2001 19:18:45 -0700 Message-ID: <001301c14ed5$cb886a00$0200a8c0@u9h9i3> Reply-To: "Randy Dell" From: "Randy Dell" To: Subject: Re: KX-T: QUICK QUESTIONS Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 19:14:28 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Sorry, I misunderstood, that you have a TA not a TD. You can not program the TA with a laptop. There is a program that allows you to backup and upload the database only. The TA is very similar in programming to a TD1232-1. I believe the UCD has been removed. I have installed one of them. rd -----Original Message----- From: Randy Dell To: JOEL WEISER Date: Saturday, October 06, 2001 5:20 PM Subject: Re: KX-T: QUICK QUESTIONS Don't believe so. You can only get the Disa message by using DIL 1:1 to Disa. Too Bad though. The -5 does have some new UCD features. I have included a Word Document that details the -5 features for the TD1232. Please do not share this document with anyone until the -5 has been released. rd -----Original Message----- From: JOEL WEISER To: kxt@kxthelp.com Date: Saturday, October 06, 2001 3:07 PM Subject: KX-T: QUICK QUESTIONS quick question.... ok, i'll repeat it... Correct me if I am wrong, i remember that on dash 3 and earlier = versions the tvs system was able to transfer into a UCD Group, but not = into the UCD timetable, the caller went into the "Q" but did not recieve = the recorded messages from the disa card.=20 QUESTION...... in the dash 4 systems is it posible for the tvs system to = transfer into a UCD group and for that caller to be treated by the UCD = timetable, thus getting a message every 30-6- seconds that says = something like "please continue to hold" I remember there was some talk of having the engineers make that change = somewhere along the way. I installed my first ta1232 last week - I had no idea that there was a = new system out. when I saw the box - I had a 10 min argument, with the dealer that I was = working for, that the system is not for the U.S. market QUESTION.....Do you have the manuals for the TA1232 on a disk or in = separate files that you can email me or is there any way for me to = download them? if you have it on a cd please mail me one at ........ JOEL WEISER 1832 WEST 7TH STREET BROOKLYN, NY 11223 QUESTION.... Can you program the ta1232 with the laptop?? see ya's JOEL ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Sun Oct 07 05:19:16 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15qCtn-0005Fp-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Sun, 7 Oct 2001 05:19:15 -0700 Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 14:18:26 +0200 (CEST) From: Eternity To: kxt@kxthelp.com Subject: Re: KX-T: Re: Flexible Keys Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Thanks. I have trying around with this, and got most things to work the way I want it :) But I wonder two things: I now have one button that makes the command 7102265 and another 7100 (ie, redirecting the extension to voicemail and the other to disable). Is it possible to get a button to work "2-way", one press to activate, another to disable? Also, on one extension the New Message lamp is on, but the extension has no voice mail messages. Also, when pressing the button, I dont get to the voicemail, but to another extension (DSS). Best regards, Chris > That is what the forward button (fwd/dnd) does. Setting it will depend on > what system you have. > > charles > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eternity" > To: > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 3:18 PM > Subject: KX-T: Flexible Keys > > > > Hi! > > > > I wonder how I can program a flexible button to redirect all calls to that > > extension to a voicemailbox. Is it also possible to have functions that > > redirect to mailbox if no answer in 5 rings? > > > > Christian > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************* > > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > > ********************************************************* > > > > > > > > ********************************************************* > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > ********************************************************* > ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Sun Oct 07 06:23:50 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15qDuG-0005GZ-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Sun, 7 Oct 2001 06:23:48 -0700 Message-ID: <00ad01c14f33$5c22de80$0300a8c0@verizon.net> From: "Charles Patterson" To: "Eternity" , References: Subject: Re: KX-T: Re: Flexible Keys Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 09:24:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Chris, You have just discovered the true meaning of the message waiting button. I does not only work for the voicemail but it works for any other extension as well. If I call your extension and you do not answer, I can push my mw button and it will light up the button on your extension. That is to tell you that I have a message for you. When you push your button, it will call ME back so you can get the message from me. (Imagine a system without voicemail but where a receptionist takes messages for everyone.) The lamp will go out when the ext who set it finally answers your call back to them, or you can press the reset code which is (I think from my memory) intcm 700 from the station with the mw lamp on. good luck charles ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eternity" To: Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2001 8:18 AM Subject: Re: KX-T: Re: Flexible Keys > Thanks. > > I have trying around with this, and got most things to work the way I want > it :) But I wonder two things: > > I now have one button that makes the command 7102265 and another 7100 (ie, > redirecting the extension to voicemail and the other to disable). Is it > possible to get a button to work "2-way", one press to activate, another > to disable? > > Also, on one extension the New Message lamp is on, but the extension has > no voice mail messages. Also, when pressing the button, I dont get to the > voicemail, but to another extension (DSS). > > Best regards, > Chris > > > > That is what the forward button (fwd/dnd) does. Setting it will depend on > > what system you have. > > > > charles > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Eternity" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 3:18 PM > > Subject: KX-T: Flexible Keys > > > > > > > Hi! > > > > > > I wonder how I can program a flexible button to redirect all calls to that > > > extension to a voicemailbox. Is it also possible to have functions that > > > redirect to mailbox if no answer in 5 rings? > > > > > > Christian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************* > > > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > > > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > > > ********************************************************* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************* > > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > > ********************************************************* > > > > > > > ********************************************************* > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > ********************************************************* > > ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Sun Oct 07 11:11:04 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15qIOE-0005JD-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Sun, 7 Oct 2001 11:11:02 -0700 Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 14:11:32 -0400 From: JimMarks Subject: Re: KX-T: Re: Flexible Keys To: Charles Patterson , Eternity , kxt@kxthelp.com Message-id: <001a01c14f5b$7e6a52c0$b554be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <00ad01c14f33$5c22de80$0300a8c0@verizon.net> Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk to reset it it is intercom 700 then the ext number you want to cancel the light at. works from ANY extension. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Patterson" To: "Eternity" ; Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2001 9:24 AM Subject: Re: KX-T: Re: Flexible Keys > Chris, > > You have just discovered the true meaning of the message waiting button. I > does not only work for the voicemail but it works for any other extension as > well. If I call your extension and you do not answer, I can push my mw > button and it will light up the button on your extension. That is to tell > you that I have a message for you. When you push your button, it will call > ME back so you can get the message from me. (Imagine a system without > voicemail but where a receptionist takes messages for everyone.) > > The lamp will go out when the ext who set it finally answers your call back > to them, or you can press the reset code which is (I think from my memory) > intcm 700 from the station with the mw lamp on. > > good luck > charles > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eternity" > To: > Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2001 8:18 AM > Subject: Re: KX-T: Re: Flexible Keys > > > > Thanks. > > > > I have trying around with this, and got most things to work the way I want > > it :) But I wonder two things: > > > > I now have one button that makes the command 7102265 and another 7100 (ie, > > redirecting the extension to voicemail and the other to disable). Is it > > possible to get a button to work "2-way", one press to activate, another > > to disable? > > > > Also, on one extension the New Message lamp is on, but the extension has > > no voice mail messages. Also, when pressing the button, I dont get to the > > voicemail, but to another extension (DSS). > > > > Best regards, > > Chris > > > > > > > That is what the forward button (fwd/dnd) does. Setting it will depend > on > > > what system you have. > > > > > > charles > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Eternity" > > > To: > > > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 3:18 PM > > > Subject: KX-T: Flexible Keys > > > > > > > > > > Hi! > > > > > > > > I wonder how I can program a flexible button to redirect all calls to > that > > > > extension to a voicemailbox. Is it also possible to have functions > that > > > > redirect to mailbox if no answer in 5 rings? > > > > > > > > Christian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************* > > > > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > > > > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > > > > ********************************************************* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************* > > > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > > > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > > > ********************************************************* > > > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************* > > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > > ********************************************************* > > > > > > > > ********************************************************* > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > ********************************************************* > ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Mon Oct 08 02:11:13 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15qWRK-0005Qp-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 02:11:10 -0700 Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 11:10:35 +0200 (CEST) From: Eternity To: kxt@kxthelp.com Subject: KX-T: Voicemail Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Hello. Thanks for the help with flexible keys. Now I found another little problem. We have voicemail boxes for each extension, but we also want to have a mailbox answering on our main phone number. I made it through the DDI options, so that when the PBX is in night mode, all calls to our main number is redirected to the voicemail extension. But, my question, now is. What voicemail number has this mailbox? How can I set it up? ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Mon Oct 08 12:30:26 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15qg6a-0005ZY-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 12:30:24 -0700 From: "David Behr" To: Subject: KX-T: deleting user prompt 1 Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 21:29:40 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Hi Firstly thank you for this list and everyone on it! I have been browsing the archives and already have found many useful ideas and solutions. I have a problem that I can't solve though. I have a TVS200 voice processing system. It came pre-loaded with User Prompts 1 and 2 - each in a different language. I would like to change about 10 system prompts (which are English), and then default un-recorded prompts to the system prompts. Reading the docs, I should be able to record my 10 changed prompts into User Prompt1 and then the system will use the system prompts for the prompts I do not record. Sounds good, but how do I delete the existing User Prompt1 or User Prompt2? I can't see it anywhere. I don't want to record every prompt! At the moment my voice system speaks Spanish except the 10 prompts I recorded!!! Thanks David ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Mon Oct 08 19:16:16 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15qmRL-0005dp-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 19:16:15 -0700 From: Richard McCoy Subject: KX-T: speed dial access To: kxt@kxthelp.com Message-Id: Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 19:16:10 -0700 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk I've programmed about 10 system speed dials into my 1232 with Programator, the number show up if you use ext 1 to check on them using the system phone in programming mode. But when I press a line button and then autodial and the speed dial number I get nothing but dead quiet and then usually a fast busy signal. Any ideas? ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Mon Oct 08 19:27:48 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15qmcV-0005eA-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 19:27:47 -0700 Message-ID: <000801c15069$a6a98440$0200a8c0@u9h9i3> Reply-To: "Randy Dell" From: "Randy Dell" To: "Richard McCoy" , Subject: Re: KX-T: speed dial access Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 19:25:23 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk The number you program must have a line access number before the number you dial. Probably something like the following, 9 1800 1234567 rd -----Original Message----- From: Richard McCoy To: kxt@kxthelp.com Date: Monday, October 08, 2001 7:16 PM Subject: KX-T: speed dial access I've programmed about 10 system speed dials into my 1232 with Programator, the number show up if you use ext 1 to check on them using the system phone in programming mode. But when I press a line button and then autodial and the speed dial number I get nothing but dead quiet and then usually a fast busy signal. Any ideas? ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Mon Oct 08 20:00:58 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15qn8a-0005f0-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 20:00:56 -0700 From: Randy Dell Reply-To: Randy Dell To: Richard McCoy , kxt@kxthelp.com Message-ID: <000801c15069$a6a98440$0200a8c0@u9h9i3> Subject: Re: KX-T: speed dial access Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 19:25:23 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Note: This E-mail was sent from sinden.nccom.com. ([198.51.175.35]). X-RCPT-TO: X-UIDL: 329 Status: U Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk The number you program must have a line access number before the number you dial. Probably something like the following, 9 1800 1234567 rd -----Original Message----- From: Richard McCoy To: kxt@kxthelp.com Date: Monday, October 08, 2001 7:16 PM Subject: KX-T: speed dial access I've programmed about 10 system speed dials into my 1232 with Programator, the number show up if you use ext 1 to check on them using the system phone in programming mode. But when I press a line button and then autodial and the speed dial number I get nothing but dead quiet and then usually a fast busy signal. Any ideas? ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Mon Oct 08 20:15:42 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15qnMq-0005fN-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 20:15:40 -0700 From: Randy Dell Reply-To: Randy Dell To: Richard McCoy , kxt@kxthelp.com Message-ID: <000801c15069$a6a98440$0200a8c0@u9h9i3> Subject: Re: KX-T: speed dial access Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 19:25:23 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Note: This E-mail was sent from sinden.nccom.com. ([198.51.175.35]). X-RCPT-TO: Status: U X-Note: This E-mail was sent from sinden.nccom.com. ([198.51.175.35]). X-UIDL: 330 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk The number you program must have a line access number before the number you dial. Probably something like the following, 9 1800 1234567 rd -----Original Message----- From: Richard McCoy To: kxt@kxthelp.com Date: Monday, October 08, 2001 7:16 PM Subject: KX-T: speed dial access I've programmed about 10 system speed dials into my 1232 with Programator, the number show up if you use ext 1 to check on them using the system phone in programming mode. But when I press a line button and then autodial and the speed dial number I get nothing but dead quiet and then usually a fast busy signal. Any ideas? ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Tue Oct 09 08:55:40 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15qzEI-0005pC-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 08:55:38 -0700 From: "Dawn Schelinski" To: "Randy Dell" , "Richard McCoy" , Subject: RE: KX-T: speed dial access Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 09:07:04 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000801c15069$a6a98440$0200a8c0@u9h9i3> Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Also check your co groups. Make sure you don't have any "non connected" lines in the co group 1. When you dial 9, you will select the last available line in the hunt group 1. Try dialing 9 from phones that are not dialig speed dials. If you hear the same dead air or error tone, then change your unused lines to group 2 or something. Dawn -----Original Message----- From: owner-kxt@nccom.com [mailto:owner-kxt@nccom.com]On Behalf Of Randy Dell Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 7:25 PM To: Richard McCoy; kxt@kxthelp.com Subject: Re: KX-T: speed dial access The number you program must have a line access number before the number you dial. Probably something like the following, 9 1800 1234567 rd -----Original Message----- From: Richard McCoy To: kxt@kxthelp.com Date: Monday, October 08, 2001 7:16 PM Subject: KX-T: speed dial access I've programmed about 10 system speed dials into my 1232 with Programator, the number show up if you use ext 1 to check on them using the system phone in programming mode. But when I press a line button and then autodial and the speed dial number I get nothing but dead quiet and then usually a fast busy signal. Any ideas? ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Wed Oct 10 07:21:59 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15rKFB-00064V-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 07:21:57 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Steve Ponnath" To: Subject: KX-T: Having the VPS play the message when it calls you. Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 09:21:03 -0500 Message-ID: <001e01c15196$cc39f860$6401a8c0@ponnath_port> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Have a D1232 and a VPS200. When the VPS200 calls my cellphone, my cellphone gets a message that the VPS has a message. Anyway to have it just play the message ? Hope I don't have to include DTMF in my cell phone message! ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Wed Oct 10 07:43:29 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15rKZz-00064v-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 07:43:27 -0700 Reply-To: From: "David Pelton" To: , Subject: KX-T: TVS - Changing user 1 prompts back to system prompt recording Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 10:00:53 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Go oin just like you're going to "change" the prompt(s) (you might be able to do them all at once, in the US they all start off English, so I have no experience doing this). As you go through the menu there is an option to use the system prompt. Good luck! David@AustinMultiLine.com ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Wed Oct 10 09:24:36 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15rM9q-000662-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 09:24:34 -0700 Message-ID: <003001c151a7$ed38de80$a900a8c0@clay> From: "Clay Archer" To: Subject: KX-T: Need Power Supply Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 10:23:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002D_01C15175.9FCCB0E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C15175.9FCCB0E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Need a power supply for a KX-T123211D, anyone know a good source? ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C15175.9FCCB0E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Need a power supply for a KX-T123211D, = anyone know=20 a good source?
 
------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C15175.9FCCB0E0-- ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Wed Oct 10 11:05:01 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15rNj1-000676-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 11:04:59 -0700 From: Richard Siders Subject: KX-T: Anyone ever hear of this? To: kxt@kxthelp.com Message-Id: Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 11:04:56 -0700 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk I have a KX-T7420 phone and a Pansonic KX-TG2553 connected in paralell. The problem is the KX-TG2553 goes off hook by itself while I am talking on my KX-T7420, cutting me off for about 5 seconds. ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Wed Oct 10 14:41:15 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15rR6H-00068v-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:41:13 -0700 From: telecom Subject: KX-T: kxtd308/vps50 To: kxt@kxthelp.com Message-Id: Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:41:09 -0700 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk KXTD308 W/ VPS50... if a station has cfwd-b/na set to vps, will OHCA work? I tried to find a way to overide an extension in call fordward mode but go strieght to voice mail. OHCA WHISPER only works if cfwd is disabled. Setting up XDP with an trinline phone is not perferd. Any idea's? ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Wed Oct 10 15:17:41 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15rRfX-00069c-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 15:17:39 -0700 Message-ID: <000e01c151d9$7836e0a0$0300a8c0@verizon.net> From: "Charles Patterson" To: , References: <001e01c15196$cc39f860$6401a8c0@ponnath_port> Subject: KX-T: Re: Having the VPS play the message when it calls you. Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 18:18:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk I haven't figured any way around it. I have to hit at least three 1's to get to the message. frustrating, yet I never really put too much time into it, maybe someone else has an idea? charles ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Ponnath" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 10:21 AM Subject: KX-T: Having the VPS play the message when it calls you. > Have a D1232 and a VPS200. > > When the VPS200 calls my cellphone, my cellphone gets a message that the VPS > has a message. Anyway to have it just play the message ? > > Hope I don't have to include DTMF in my cell phone message! > > > > > ********************************************************* > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > ********************************************************* > ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Wed Oct 10 16:32:26 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15rSps-0006AM-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 16:32:24 -0700 From: "Michael Karaman" To: "Charles Patterson" , , Subject: RE: KX-T: Re: Having the VPS play the message when it calls you. Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 19:27:38 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000e01c151d9$7836e0a0$0300a8c0@verizon.net> Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk What happens when the call gets your cell voice mail, do you want the msg to play then? Probably not. That's why the system is looking for a response from the number it has called. The system isn't smart enough to know WHO answered the call, it's waiting to "hear" something. I have to do the same thing, say HELLO very loud or press 1 a couple of times, and then enter a pswd. You can tell when a call is coming from you system by using caller id on your cell phone. Michael Karaman President The Phone Network, Inc. 894-B Elm Street Fayetteville, NC 28303 910-222-1234 Fax 484-1234 http://www.thephonetwork.com/ -----Original Message----- From: owner-kxt@nccom.com [mailto:owner-kxt@nccom.com]On Behalf Of Charles Patterson Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 6:18 PM To: sponnath@technologist.com; kxt@kxthelp.com Subject: KX-T: Re: Having the VPS play the message when it calls you. I haven't figured any way around it. I have to hit at least three 1's to get to the message. frustrating, yet I never really put too much time into it, maybe someone else has an idea? charles ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Ponnath" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 10:21 AM Subject: KX-T: Having the VPS play the message when it calls you. > Have a D1232 and a VPS200. > > When the VPS200 calls my cellphone, my cellphone gets a message that the VPS > has a message. Anyway to have it just play the message ? > > Hope I don't have to include DTMF in my cell phone message! > > > > > ********************************************************* > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > ********************************************************* > ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Wed Oct 10 20:11:16 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15rWFe-0006CO-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:11:14 -0700 From: "Anthony Umann" To: , Subject: RE: KX-T: 66 block to RJ11/RJ45 adapters Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 23:11:28 -0400 Message-ID: <001401c15202$6df4b350$22376c42@ozric> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <10110051615.AA11198@opel.secondsource.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk I have received this message several hundred times, i get 2 copies every time i check my mail !! Any ideas? -----Original Message----- From: owner-kxt@nccom.com [mailto:owner-kxt@nccom.com] On Behalf Of johnk@opel.secondsource.com Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 12:15 PM To: kxt@kxthelp.com Subject: Re: KX-T: 66 block to RJ11/RJ45 adapters Thanks for all the responses. I have some on order. > > > Funny how the handiest things disappear. Anyone have a source > for the adapters that fit onto the pins of a 66 block and allow > connection of an RJ11 or RJ45 plug? > -- John Kennedy johnk@secondsource.com Second Source, Inc. Annapolis, MD USA ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Thu Oct 11 06:10:10 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15rfbE-0006Km-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 06:10:08 -0700 From: Carl Navarro To: "Anthony Umann" Cc: , Subject: Re: KX-T: 66 block to RJ11/RJ45 adapters Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 09:08:50 -0400 Reply-To: cnavarro@wcnet.org Message-ID: <0e6bstg1omm56a2crp1tgoboo7na5e5eto@4ax.com> References: <10110051615.AA11198@opel.secondsource.com> <001401c15202$6df4b350$22376c42@ozric> In-Reply-To: <001401c15202$6df4b350$22376c42@ozric> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 10 Oct 2001 23:11:28 -0400, you wrote: >I have received this message several hundred times, i get 2 copies every >time i check my mail !! > >Any ideas? No, but here's a couple more :-) Carl Navarro >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-kxt@nccom.com [mailto:owner-kxt@nccom.com] On Behalf Of >johnk@opel.secondsource.com >Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 12:15 PM >To: kxt@kxthelp.com >Subject: Re: KX-T: 66 block to RJ11/RJ45 adapters > >Thanks for all the responses. I have some on order. > > >>=20 >>=20 >> Funny how the handiest things disappear. Anyone have a source >> for the adapters that fit onto the pins of a 66 block and allow >> connection of an RJ11 or RJ45 plug? >>=20 ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Thu Oct 11 06:42:46 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15rg6m-0006Mh-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 06:42:44 -0700 From: "Tim Hofbauer" To: , "'Anthony Umann'" Cc: , Subject: RE: KX-T: 66 block to RJ11/RJ45 adapters Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 08:38:54 -0500 Message-ID: <000e01c1525a$121a43d0$2b01010a@cptim> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <0e6bstg1omm56a2crp1tgoboo7na5e5eto@4ax.com> Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk I have purchased them from Alltel supply. I think this companies prices are high but they do carry them. The number is 800-533-3160. Tim Hofbauer Connecting Point -----Original Message----- From: owner-kxt@nccom.com [mailto:owner-kxt@nccom.com] On Behalf Of Carl Navarro Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 8:09 AM To: Anthony Umann Cc: johnk@opel.secondsource.com; kxt@kxthelp.com Subject: Re: KX-T: 66 block to RJ11/RJ45 adapters On Wed, 10 Oct 2001 23:11:28 -0400, you wrote: >I have received this message several hundred times, i get 2 copies every >time i check my mail !! > >Any ideas? No, but here's a couple more :-) Carl Navarro >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-kxt@nccom.com [mailto:owner-kxt@nccom.com] On Behalf Of >johnk@opel.secondsource.com >Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 12:15 PM >To: kxt@kxthelp.com >Subject: Re: KX-T: 66 block to RJ11/RJ45 adapters > >Thanks for all the responses. I have some on order. > > >> >> >> Funny how the handiest things disappear. Anyone have a source >> for the adapters that fit onto the pins of a 66 block and allow >> connection of an RJ11 or RJ45 plug? >> ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Thu Oct 11 08:53:32 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15ri9K-0006O8-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 08:53:30 -0700 Reply-To: From: "David Pelton" To: Subject: KX-T: TD500 with TVS200 MWL not Turn on Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:10:33 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Need some information - gave TVS control of message lamp on/off in the TD500 v2 and set COS 1 (all mailboxes) authorization to light the lamp for EVERY message. Still had a problem crop up on a 7895 - no MWL (envelope icon) when new messages were in mailbox. Get in to box, then out and lamp comes on??? The only answer so far is that it is a "glitch" and remedy by re-setting (turn off, wait, turn on) the TD and TVS. Looking for a better answer. David Pelton David@AustinMultiLine.com ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Thu Oct 11 13:04:26 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15rm49-0006Qf-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 13:04:25 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Steve Ponnath" To: "'Charles Patterson'" , Subject: KX-T: RE: Having the VPS play the message when it calls you. Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 15:03:45 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01c1528f$d6030e50$6401a8c0@ponnath_port> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000e01c151d9$7836e0a0$0300a8c0@verizon.net> Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk I don't mind pressing the ones when it calls me and I get to interact with it. What I would like is that my cell phone voicemail would get the message so that I can check my cell phone only for all my messages and not call into the office for messages. Heck, my simple little switch at home calls me and delivers the message AND it emails it as a wav file to my pop mail account! -----Original Message----- From: Charles Patterson [mailto:charles@avtele.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 5:18 PM To: sponnath@technologist.com; kxt@kxthelp.com Subject: Re: Having the VPS play the message when it calls you. I haven't figured any way around it. I have to hit at least three 1's to get to the message. frustrating, yet I never really put too much time into it, maybe someone else has an idea? charles ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Ponnath" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 10:21 AM Subject: KX-T: Having the VPS play the message when it calls you. > Have a D1232 and a VPS200. > > When the VPS200 calls my cellphone, my cellphone gets a message that the VPS > has a message. Anyway to have it just play the message ? > > Hope I don't have to include DTMF in my cell phone message! > > > > > ********************************************************* > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > ********************************************************* > ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Thu Oct 11 20:30:30 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15rt1n-0006Ub-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 20:30:27 -0700 Message-ID: <002d01c152ce$5609ada0$0300a8c0@verizon.net> From: "Charles Patterson" To: , References: <000a01c1528f$d6030e50$6401a8c0@ponnath_port> Subject: KX-T: Re: RE: Having the VPS play the message when it calls you. Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 23:31:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk What we need is for a way to tell it to override the need for recipient input. The trouble would be that you could lose track of some messages if the system thinks it is delivering the message but somehow the call did not get through properly. Or if there was a way for the cellphone message to play dtmf... but it always interprets dtmf as commands. I haven't found anyway around it. charles ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Ponnath" To: "'Charles Patterson'" ; Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 4:03 PM Subject: KX-T: RE: Having the VPS play the message when it calls you. > I don't mind pressing the ones when it calls me and I get to interact with > it. > > What I would like is that my cell phone voicemail would get the message so > that I can check my cell phone only for all my messages and not call into > the office for messages. Heck, my simple little switch at home calls me and > delivers the message AND it emails it as a wav file to my pop mail account! > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Charles Patterson [mailto:charles@avtele.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 5:18 PM > To: sponnath@technologist.com; kxt@kxthelp.com > Subject: Re: Having the VPS play the message when it calls you. > > > I haven't figured any way around it. I have to hit at least three 1's to get > to the message. frustrating, yet I never really put too much time into it, > maybe someone else has an idea? > > charles > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Ponnath" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 10:21 AM > Subject: KX-T: Having the VPS play the message when it calls you. > > > > Have a D1232 and a VPS200. > > > > When the VPS200 calls my cellphone, my cellphone gets a message that the > VPS > > has a message. Anyway to have it just play the message ? > > > > Hope I don't have to include DTMF in my cell phone message! > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************* > > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > > ********************************************************* > > > > > > ********************************************************* > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > ********************************************************* > > ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Thu Oct 11 20:41:33 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15rtCU-0006V1-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 20:41:30 -0700 Message-ID: <003401c152cf$e4cafa20$0300a8c0@verizon.net> From: "Charles Patterson" To: References: <000a01c1528f$d6030e50$6401a8c0@ponnath_port> Subject: KX-T: Device notification delay Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 23:42:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk I've set up 3 device notifications for an Air Conditioning company for their emergency notification mailbox. They wanted a way to call a beeper first, then wait about 10 minutes for the tech to call in before trying to call the supervisor's cell phone, then wait another 5 minutes before calling the boss's cell phone. I found no way to set the delay between notifications, I could only find the way to set the delay between attempts within each one device. Anyone know a way around this? What we ended up with is It is set to call beeper 3 attempts with 5 minutes delay between attempts. That give 1 beep, wait 5 min, beep again, wait 5 min, beep 3rd time It will then call the cell phone immediately after the 3rd beep. it will wait 5 min for another cell phone attempt then immediately call the bosses cell phone (and try him a bunch of times if he doesn't answer). That basically works ok, but they would have liked to have a set delay after calling the first beeper to give the tech on-duty enough time to call in. Another thing noted- I set a phantom ext. and box 100 for the emergency calls with mwl 100 on the receptionist phone. The MWL does not light until after the system has tried to make the other device notifications. Is there a way to alter that so the light can light up promptly? tnx charles charles@telephonesecurity.com Global Communications Tarrytown, NY www.avtele.com www.telephonesecurity.com ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Fri Oct 12 06:23:14 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15s2HQ-0006dd-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 06:23:12 -0700 Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 09:23:31 -0400 From: JimMarks Subject: KX-T: Re: Device notification delay To: Charles Patterson , kxt@kxthelp.com Message-id: <003001c15321$16892f40$b554be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <000a01c1528f$d6030e50$6401a8c0@ponnath_port> <003401c152cf$e4cafa20$0300a8c0@verizon.net> Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk CP, I set 3 different mailboxes up, each with a different class of service. I program the cos to move the message into the next mailbox if it is not retreived within 15 mins or so. I use it in drs. offices all the time. it will page them every 5 mins for 15 mins. then copy itself to the next MB and call a cellphone every 5 mins for 15 then copy to the next MB and call someone at home............JIM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Patterson" Subject: KX-T: Device notification delay > I've set up 3 device notifications for an Air Conditioning company for their > emergency notification mailbox. They wanted a way to call a beeper first, then wait about 10 minutes for the > tech to call in before trying to call the supervisor's cell phone, then wait > another 5 minutes before calling the boss's cell phone. > I found no way to set the delay between notifications, I could only find the > way to set the delay between attempts within each one device. > > Anyone know a way around this? > > What we ended up with is > It is set to call beeper 3 attempts with 5 minutes delay between attempts. > That give 1 beep, wait 5 min, beep again, wait 5 min, beep 3rd time > It will then call the cell phone immediately after the 3rd beep. > it will wait 5 min for another cell phone attempt then immediately call the > bosses cell phone (and try him a bunch of times if he doesn't answer). > > That basically works ok, but they would have liked to have a set delay after > calling the first beeper to give the tech on-duty enough time to call in. > > Another thing noted- I set a phantom ext. and box 100 for the emergency > calls with mwl 100 on the receptionist phone. The MWL does not light until > after the system has tried to make the other device notifications. Is there > a way to alter that so the light can light up promptly? > > tnx > charles > > > charles@telephonesecurity.com > Global Communications > Tarrytown, NY > www.avtele.com > www.telephonesecurity.com > > > > ********************************************************* > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > ********************************************************* > ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Fri Oct 12 07:12:34 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15s33A-0006eY-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 07:12:32 -0700 Message-ID: <001801c15328$5ac8f080$556bd9ca@LocalHost> From: "Norihiro Abe" To: "KXT info List" Subject: KX-T: please unsubscribe this email address Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 23:15:32 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01C15373.CA180200" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C15373.CA180200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I want to change the email address. 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= ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C15373.CA180200-- ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Fri Oct 12 11:42:26 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15s7GK-0006gj-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 11:42:24 -0700 From: Richard McCoy Subject: KX-T: TVS50 Change Analog to Digital To: kxt@kxthelp.com Message-Id: Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 11:42:21 -0700 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk I have a TVS50 connected to a Panasonic analog 616 and I am converting the 616 to a KXT1232 digital. I have the new 1232 all set up on my test bench and ready to install, but I can't hook up the TVS50 until we install the 1232 at our business. What do I need to do on the TVS50 in order to change it to use the digital features on the 1232, and I'd like to not lose my prompts, and settings on the TVS50 in the process. Any ideas and steps would be appreciated. Rick McCoy Lopez Island Pharmacy ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Fri Oct 12 14:32:01 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15s9uR-0006iK-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 14:31:59 -0700 Message-ID: <005501c15365$71b9f860$0300a8c0@verizon.net> From: "Charles Patterson" To: "JimMarks" , References: <000a01c1528f$d6030e50$6401a8c0@ponnath_port> <003401c152cf$e4cafa20$0300a8c0@verizon.net> <003001c15321$16892f40$b554be18@oemcomputer> Subject: KX-T: Re: Re: Device notification delay Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 17:32:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk That's a good idea. The second mail box could try to deliver to both cellphones since the delay is mainly for the beeper tech to be able to call back. If the cell doesn't answer, it doesn't need to call back. Since the message is copied to the second box, they only need to retrieve messages from the first box, it could then delete itself from the second box after a few days so the box doesn't fill up. That would give them a back up message incase someone deleted the main message by accident. Always thinking Jim, that's a good sign. Now I'm also considering giving them a battery backup but they would like to be notified if the power goes out, so they could turn on manual call forwarding (telco feature) to their cell phone. I envision an alarm type voice message dialer that could get triggered by the power outage (relay) it could call their cell phone with an appropriate message (Someone would need to go to the office to turn on the telco forwarding)... or have it automatically dial the call forwarding command on the main line, then dial again with a message that the line has been forwarded... am I stretching too far? charles ----- Original Message ----- From: "JimMarks" To: "Charles Patterson" ; Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 9:23 AM Subject: KX-T: Re: Device notification delay > CP, I set 3 different mailboxes up, each with a different class of service. > I program the cos to move the message into the next mailbox if it is not > retreived within 15 mins or so. I use it in drs. offices all the time. it > will page them every 5 mins for 15 mins. then copy itself to the next MB and > call a cellphone every 5 mins for 15 then copy to the next MB and call > someone at home............JIM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charles Patterson" > Subject: KX-T: Device notification delay > > > > I've set up 3 device notifications for an Air Conditioning company for > their > > emergency notification mailbox. They wanted a way to call a beeper first, > then wait about 10 minutes for the > > tech to call in before trying to call the supervisor's cell phone, then > wait > > another 5 minutes before calling the boss's cell phone. > > I found no way to set the delay between notifications, I could only find > the > > way to set the delay between attempts within each one device. > > > > Anyone know a way around this? > > > > What we ended up with is > > It is set to call beeper 3 attempts with 5 minutes delay between attempts. > > That give 1 beep, wait 5 min, beep again, wait 5 min, beep 3rd time > > It will then call the cell phone immediately after the 3rd beep. > > it will wait 5 min for another cell phone attempt then immediately call > the > > bosses cell phone (and try him a bunch of times if he doesn't answer). > > > > That basically works ok, but they would have liked to have a set delay > after > > calling the first beeper to give the tech on-duty enough time to call in. > > > > Another thing noted- I set a phantom ext. and box 100 for the emergency > > calls with mwl 100 on the receptionist phone. The MWL does not light until > > after the system has tried to make the other device notifications. Is > there > > a way to alter that so the light can light up promptly? > > > > tnx > > charles > > > > > > charles@telephonesecurity.com > > Global Communications > > Tarrytown, NY > > www.avtele.com > > www.telephonesecurity.com > > > > > > > > ********************************************************* > > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > > ********************************************************* > > > > > > ********************************************************* > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > ********************************************************* > > ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Fri Oct 12 17:16:50 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15sCTw-0006kC-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 17:16:48 -0700 Message-ID: <000c01c1537d$ca50e0c0$49dec6cf@budman.fcc.net> From: "JOEL WEISER" To: "Richard McCoy" , Subject: Re: KX-T: TVS50 Change Analog to Digital Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 20:26:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk very easy- ***IF YOU WILL BE REMOVING POWER TO THE TVS50 DURING THE INSTALL OF THE TD1232- MAKE SURE THAT ALL FOUR DIP SWITCHES ON THE TVS50 ARE ALL TOWARDS THE LEFT*** - OTHERWISE YOU MIGHT LOSE ALL DATA AND ACCIDENTALLY INITIALIZE THE SYSTEM AT POWER-UP!!! First make sure that you have all 4 wires from an extension off of the digital connected to jack 1 of the tvs ( since you now will have a d1232 using what Panasonic calls a DPITS data connection with the tvs, you will get the two vm ports by using only one extension, (the second jack on the tvs50 becomes disabled in the dpits connection of jack ) as long as your td1232 is a recent model. If it is more than 3-4 yrs old then you might not get the DPITS connection. as long as the d1232 is a dash 1,2,3 or 4 it should have DPITS.) the 616 connection to the tvs50 worked off of the audio pair (the inside, red/green ) the d1232 works off of the data pair.(the outside,yel/blk - pair of the plug ) there should be only one programming change in the tvs that you have to make - go into hardware settings / pbx settings and set the system type to "KXT series - td816/1232" you will not lose any other programming or prompts. at this point, the tvs power lite will start flashing, and it will be off-line until you make the connection and program the td1232 for DPITS. Programming in the digital system - program #117(voice mail integration)- enter the extension number of the d1232 that you have connected to the tvs. once you do this, and if your tvs is correctly connected, then the power lite should come back on steady - and on-line. the 2 tvs extensions now will be extensions 165 and 166, and you should be ready to go. You should not lose any data or greetings that you already have in use. good luck - JOEL WEISER Too all of you who remember talking to me over the past few years, when I was working and taking your calls at panasonic tech support, I just want to say hello and I hope that everyone is doing ok. After leaving Panasonic, I am now doing pre-sales consulting / system programming and sometimes full installs for a number of local dealers. ( and selling and installing jobs for myself , when i can get them.) If anyone needs my assistance, on a sub-contracting/consulting basis, or you just want to say hello, please feel free to contact me at BUDMAN@USCOM.COM (also, any sincere job offers are always welcome!!) - JOEL WEISER -----Original Message----- From: Richard McCoy To: kxt@kxthelp.com Date: Friday, October 12, 2001 3:01 PM Subject: KX-T: TVS50 Change Analog to Digital >I have a TVS50 connected to a Panasonic analog 616 and I am converting the 616 to a KXT1232 digital. I have the new 1232 all set up on my test bench and ready to install, but I can't hook up the TVS50 until we install the 1232 at our business. What do I need to do on the TVS50 in order to change it to use the digital features on the 1232, and I'd like to not lose my prompts, and settings on the TVS50 in the process. Any ideas and steps would be appreciated. > >Rick McCoy >Lopez Island Pharmacy > > > > > ********************************************************* > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > ********************************************************* > ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Fri Oct 12 18:50:17 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15sDwO-0006lr-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 18:50:16 -0700 Message-ID: <33757D46ADF9D211809000902771A1F430E622@ns2.alloyventures.com> From: John Shoch To: "'kxt@kxthelp.com'" Subject: KX-T: Controlling a 1232 via the internet? Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 18:50:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk I'm new to this list, and just installing a KX-TD 1232 at home. Have a question which I hope someone can help answer: I've down-loaded the Programmator software to configure and control the switch, but I would rather not always have to do that from a laptop, standing next to the unit. Instead, I'd rather be able to control it from a desktop, either at home or at work. The house has an Internet connection, complete with a router and a local Ethernet (available near the switch). So, I think I need: a) a way to trap Programmator commands on an NT PC going towards the serial port, and divert them to an appropriate Internet stream; b) an Internet serial server near the switch (RJ-45 Ethernet in, serial out), which will spit out this stream; and, c) an appropriate cable from the Internet serial server to the switch. Has anyone done this? Can you point me at the right pieces of software and hardware? Is there a better way? Many thanks! John ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Fri Oct 12 19:34:32 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15sEdB-0006mZ-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 19:34:29 -0700 Reply-To: From: "David Stanhope" To: "John Shoch" , Subject: RE: KX-T: Controlling a 1232 via the internet? Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 19:34:59 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <33757D46ADF9D211809000902771A1F430E622@ns2.alloyventures.com> Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Onw way is to connect the switch to a PC which has the Programmator installed, then run a program like PCAnywhere (costs) or VNC (free) to take control of that PC from a remote PC. Works for me. Dave -----Original Message----- From: owner-kxt@nccom.com [mailto:owner-kxt@nccom.com]On Behalf Of John Shoch Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 6:50 PM To: 'kxt@kxthelp.com' Subject: KX-T: Controlling a 1232 via the internet? I'm new to this list, and just installing a KX-TD 1232 at home. Have a question which I hope someone can help answer: I've down-loaded the Programmator software to configure and control the switch, but I would rather not always have to do that from a laptop, standing next to the unit. Instead, I'd rather be able to control it from a desktop, either at home or at work. The house has an Internet connection, complete with a router and a local Ethernet (available near the switch). So, I think I need: a) a way to trap Programmator commands on an NT PC going towards the serial port, and divert them to an appropriate Internet stream; b) an Internet serial server near the switch (RJ-45 Ethernet in, serial out), which will spit out this stream; and, c) an appropriate cable from the Internet serial server to the switch. Has anyone done this? Can you point me at the right pieces of software and hardware? Is there a better way? Many thanks! John ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Fri Oct 12 19:42:57 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15sElL-0006mx-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 19:42:55 -0700 Message-ID: <008901c15390$df81b420$0300a8c0@verizon.net> From: "Charles Patterson" To: "John Shoch" , References: <33757D46ADF9D211809000902771A1F430E622@ns2.alloyventures.com> Subject: KX-T: Re: Controlling a 1232 via the internet? Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 22:43:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk I heard that there is a serial port to ethernet adapter available somewhere. That might be able to work... but I have not tried it, just dreamed about it. charles ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Shoch" To: Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 9:50 PM Subject: KX-T: Controlling a 1232 via the internet? > I'm new to this list, and just installing a KX-TD 1232 at home. > Have a question which I hope someone can help answer: > > I've down-loaded the Programmator software to configure and control the > switch, but I would rather not always have to do that from a laptop, > standing next to the unit. Instead, I'd rather be able to control it from a > desktop, either at home or at work. The house has an Internet connection, > complete with a router and a local Ethernet (available near the switch). > So, I think I need: > a) a way to trap Programmator commands on an NT PC going towards the serial > port, and divert them to an appropriate Internet stream; > b) an Internet serial server near the switch (RJ-45 Ethernet in, serial > out), which will spit out this stream; and, > c) an appropriate cable from the Internet serial server to the switch. > > Has anyone done this? > Can you point me at the right pieces of software and hardware? > Is there a better way? > Many thanks! > > John > > > > ********************************************************* > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > ********************************************************* > > ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Fri Oct 12 19:51:24 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15sEtW-0006nG-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 19:51:22 -0700 From: David Lesher Message-Id: <200110130245.WAA09320@sigma.nrk.com> Subject: Re: KX-T: Controlling a 1232 via the internet? To: kxt@kxthelp.com (KXT Mailing list) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 22:45:57 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: from "David Stanhope" at Oct 12, 2001 07:34:59 PM Reply-To: wb8foz@nrk.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk There are terminal servers available; Lantronix makes them midst others. I've debated doing the same thing with a Linux box but the hard end may be the sending system. You gotta grab the modem output and divert it to a TCP/IP port... -- A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433 ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Fri Oct 12 21:42:39 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15sGdC-0006oP-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Fri, 12 Oct 2001 21:42:38 -0700 Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 23:42:31 -0500 (CDT) From: "D. Duccini" X-Sender: duccini@ra.bpsi.net To: John Shoch cc: "'kxt@kxthelp.com'" Subject: Re: KX-T: Controlling a 1232 via the internet? In-Reply-To: <33757D46ADF9D211809000902771A1F430E622@ns2.alloyventures.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk easiest way is to use VNC http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/ On Fri, 12 Oct 2001, John Shoch wrote: > I'm new to this list, and just installing a KX-TD 1232 at home. > Have a question which I hope someone can help answer: > > I've down-loaded the Programmator software to configure and control the > switch, but I would rather not always have to do that from a laptop, > standing next to the unit. Instead, I'd rather be able to control it from a > desktop, either at home or at work. The house has an Internet connection, > complete with a router and a local Ethernet (available near the switch). > So, I think I need: > a) a way to trap Programmator commands on an NT PC going towards the serial > port, and divert them to an appropriate Internet stream; > b) an Internet serial server near the switch (RJ-45 Ethernet in, serial > out), which will spit out this stream; and, > c) an appropriate cable from the Internet serial server to the switch. > > Has anyone done this? > Can you point me at the right pieces of software and hardware? > Is there a better way? > Many thanks! > > John > > > > ********************************************************* > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > ********************************************************* > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- david@backpack.com BackPack Software, Inc. www.backpack.com +1 651.645.7550 voice "Life is an Adventure. +1 651.645.9798 fax Don't forget your BackPack!" ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Sat Oct 13 07:25:59 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15sPjh-0006wt-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Sat, 13 Oct 2001 07:25:57 -0700 From: To: "John Shoch" , Subject: RE: KX-T: Controlling a 1232 via the internet? Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 10:27:09 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <33757D46ADF9D211809000902771A1F430E622@ns2.alloyventures.com> Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk There is a box that does exactly this function.... Connects to the Pana serial port and has a NET interface. Cost less than $200 (US dollars). Allows high-speed programming of the Digital's. I can get the entire 1232-4 program from the cabinet in less than 10 seconds on my NET connection ! Mark <><><> ><<>>< <><><> -----Original Message----- From: owner-kxt@nccom.com [mailto:owner-kxt@nccom.com]On Behalf Of John Shoch Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 9:50 PM To: 'kxt@kxthelp.com' Subject: KX-T: Controlling a 1232 via the internet? I'm new to this list, and just installing a KX-TD 1232 at home. Have a question which I hope someone can help answer: I've down-loaded the Programmator software to configure and control the switch, but I would rather not always have to do that from a laptop, standing next to the unit. Instead, I'd rather be able to control it from a desktop, either at home or at work. The house has an Internet connection, complete with a router and a local Ethernet (available near the switch). So, I think I need: a) a way to trap Programmator commands on an NT PC going towards the serial port, and divert them to an appropriate Internet stream; b) an Internet serial server near the switch (RJ-45 Ethernet in, serial out), which will spit out this stream; and, c) an appropriate cable from the Internet serial server to the switch. Has anyone done this? Can you point me at the right pieces of software and hardware? Is there a better way? Many thanks! John ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Sat Oct 13 08:10:59 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15sQRF-0006xV-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Sat, 13 Oct 2001 08:10:57 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20011013111022.009a8928@wcnet.org> X-Sender: cnavarro@wcnet.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 11:10:22 -0400 To: , "John Shoch" , From: Carl Navarro Subject: RE: KX-T: Controlling a 1232 via the internet? In-Reply-To: References: <33757D46ADF9D211809000902771A1F430E622@ns2.alloyventures.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk At 10:27 AM 10/13/2001 -0400, mark@markds3.com wrote: >There is a box that does exactly this function.... Connects to the Pana >serial port and has a NET interface. Cost less than $200 (US dollars). >Allows high-speed programming of the Digital's. I can get the entire 1232-4 >program from the cabinet in less than 10 seconds on my NET connection ! I'll play the straight man. Who, where? Carl Navarro ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Sat Oct 13 10:29:27 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15sSbG-0006yo-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Sat, 13 Oct 2001 10:29:26 -0700 From: Richard McCoy Subject: KX-T: TVS50 Ports To: kxt@kxthelp.com Message-Id: Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 10:29:23 -0700 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk I'm changing a TVS50 from a Panasonic analog phone system to a KXTD1232 digital. On the analog system I use both ports of the TVS50, but it appears from the documentatin in the TVS50 that I only use one port on the TVS50 if used with a KCTD1232. Is this correct or should I use both ports? ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Sat Oct 13 10:54:06 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15sSz7-0006zF-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Sat, 13 Oct 2001 10:54:05 -0700 Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 19:53:42 +0200 (CEST) From: Eternity To: kxt@kxthelp.com Subject: KX-T: Voice mail - KXTD816 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Hi! I have a TVS100 connected to a KXTD816. At days I have set up calls through DDI to go either direct to an extension or to a call hunting group (100) that makes it call on all extensions. I then tried so that at night, all calls goes to another call hunting group (101). As member of that group I made my voicemail extension 207, but the software didnt accept that. I tried then with 265/266 that is the other extensions to the voicemail. Then the software accepted, but I am not able to call to that group. What am I doing wrong? I have seen examples where it seems that this should work. Christian ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Sat Oct 13 11:34:21 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15sTc4-0006zr-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Sat, 13 Oct 2001 11:34:20 -0700 Message-ID: <0bcb01c15415$a520a130$b2957c42@errno.com> From: "Sam Leffler" To: , "John Shoch" , , "Carl Navarro" References: <33757D46ADF9D211809000902771A1F430E622@ns2.alloyventures.com> <3.0.6.32.20011013111022.009a8928@wcnet.org> Subject: Re: KX-T: Controlling a 1232 via the internet? Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 11:34:08 -0700 Organization: Errno Consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Equinox makes a line of "serial hubs" and managed servers. A single line managed unit is ~$200. Not sure how you'd get the Programmator or Panasonic apps to communicate from the remote side. Check out www.equinox.com. Sam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Navarro" To: ; "John Shoch" ; Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 8:10 AM Subject: RE: KX-T: Controlling a 1232 via the internet? > At 10:27 AM 10/13/2001 -0400, mark@markds3.com wrote: > >There is a box that does exactly this function.... Connects to the Pana > >serial port and has a NET interface. Cost less than $200 (US dollars). > >Allows high-speed programming of the Digital's. I can get the entire 1232-4 > >program from the cabinet in less than 10 seconds on my NET connection ! > > I'll play the straight man. Who, where? ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Sat Oct 13 15:38:30 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15sXQK-00071v-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Sat, 13 Oct 2001 15:38:28 -0700 From: "Jacques Leisy" To: "Richard McCoy" , Subject: RE: KX-T: TVS50 Ports Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 18:39:31 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-AntiVirus: OK (checked by AntiVir Version 6.9.0.26) Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk On my KTXTD308 I only need one port (4 wires though) for the 2 ports JL -----Original Message----- From: owner-kxt@nccom.com [mailto:owner-kxt@nccom.com]On Behalf Of Richard McCoy Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 1:29 PM To: kxt@kxthelp.com Subject: KX-T: TVS50 Ports I'm changing a TVS50 from a Panasonic analog phone system to a KXTD1232 digital. On the analog system I use both ports of the TVS50, but it appears from the documentatin in the TVS50 that I only use one port on the TVS50 if used with a KCTD1232. Is this correct or should I use both ports? ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Sat Oct 13 16:16:48 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15sY1N-00072j-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Sat, 13 Oct 2001 16:16:45 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c1543c$c26192f0$9865fea9@michael850> From: "Michael N. Marcus" To: "Jacques Leisy" Cc: References: Subject: Re: KX-T: TVS50 Ports Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 19:09:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacques Leisy" To: "Richard McCoy" ; Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 6:39 PM Subject: RE: KX-T: TVS50 Ports > On my KTXTD308 I only need one port (4 wires though) for the 2 ports You're really only using two of the four wires -- the "data pair," which is black and yellow in a standard phone jack. Michael N. Marcus AbleComm, Inc. www.ablecomm.com www.theTekHouse.com -- our 12th website > > JL > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kxt@nccom.com [mailto:owner-kxt@nccom.com]On Behalf Of > Richard McCoy > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 1:29 PM > To: kxt@kxthelp.com > Subject: KX-T: TVS50 Ports > > > I'm changing a TVS50 from a Panasonic analog phone system to a KXTD1232 > digital. On the analog system I use both ports of the TVS50, but it appears > from the documentatin in the TVS50 that I only use one port on the TVS50 if > used with a KCTD1232. Is this correct or should I use both ports? > > > > > ********************************************************* > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > ********************************************************* > > > > ********************************************************* > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > ********************************************************* > ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Sat Oct 13 16:16:49 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15sY1N-00072i-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Sat, 13 Oct 2001 16:16:45 -0700 Message-ID: <000301c1543c$c3933520$9865fea9@michael850> From: "Michael N. Marcus" To: "Richard McCoy" Cc: References: Subject: KX-T: Re: TVS50 Ports Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 19:12:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard McCoy" To: Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 1:29 PM Subject: KX-T: TVS50 Ports > I'm changing a TVS50 from a Panasonic analog phone system to a KXTD1232 digital. On the analog system I use both ports of the TVS50, but it appears from the documentatin in the TVS50 that I only use one port on the TVS50 if used with a KCTD1232. Is this correct or should I use both ports? One port connection in the TVS50 can handle two simultaneous conversations when connected to a D1232. See www.ablecomm.com/tvs50.htm and www.ablecomm.com/vpinst2.htm Michael N. Marcus AbleComm, Inc. www.ablecomm.com www.theTekHouse.com -- our 12th website > > > > > ********************************************************* > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > ********************************************************* > ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Sat Oct 13 19:39:22 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15sbBP-00074n-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Sat, 13 Oct 2001 19:39:19 -0700 From: Richard McCoy Subject: KX-T: ROM Version and Digital Integration To: kxt@kxthelp.com Message-Id: Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 19:39:12 -0700 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk I thought I was ready to install my KXDT1232 with my TVS50 tomorrow but now it seems my ROM version on the KXDT123 is in need of updating if I want to use digital integration. I have the following ROM version on the KXTD1232 P231M81002A and serial# 9EC1K038760 The TVS50 manual indicates I need a version at least P231U or greater. 1. Do I need a new ROM to set up the unit or 2. Can I still install the unit and then put a new ROM in later? 3. If I can install the 1232 with this ROM I have, what features will I be lacking? 4. If I need a ROM does ABLECOMM sell them? Rick McCoy Lopez Island Pharmacy ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Sat Oct 13 21:17:56 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15scio-00075x-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Sat, 13 Oct 2001 21:17:54 -0700 From: Jordan Bell Subject: KX-T: TVS50 with 61610 KSU integration? To: kxt@kxthelp.com Message-Id: Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 21:17:49 -0700 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk I have a customer that has a KXT 61610 KSU and was sold a TVS50 by a dealer from out of state. I noticed in the TVS50 manual that it does not show a integration for a 61610 but does show the analog 123211. Has anyone been able to integrate these 2 successfully? If so, do you have any documentation that describes the integration or do you choose 123211 and change the same items on the 61610 as it shows for the 123211; i.e. hunt groups. Thanks, Jordan Bell 626/403-0515 or fax 626/403-9896 jordanbell@att.net ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Sat Oct 13 22:30:31 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15sdr4-00076t-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Sat, 13 Oct 2001 22:30:30 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000501c0b1aa$f6c90620$c350be18@computer> References: <000501c0b1aa$f6c90620$c350be18@computer> Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 01:30:02 -0400 To: kxt@kxthelp.com From: Monty Solomon Subject: KX-T: KX-T123211D won't power up Cc: Monty Solomon Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Hi. I recently moved my KX-T123211D sytem and it won't power up now. I checked the fuse and it appears to be OK. Does the system require a functional P-01H-F2G1 battery in order to power on? I forgot to remove the P-01H-F2G1 battery and the system was powered off for about two weeks. Where can I get a replacement P-01H-F2G1 battery? How much should it cost? What else would prevent the system from powering up? Where can I get it fixed? Thanks. Monty ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Sat Oct 13 23:01:34 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15seL6-00077V-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Sat, 13 Oct 2001 23:01:32 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 01:01:16 -0500 Subject: Re: KX-T: Controlling a 1232 via the internet? From: dave To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <0bcb01c15415$a520a130$b2957c42@errno.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk > Equinox makes a line of "serial hubs" and managed servers. A single line > managed unit is ~$200. Not sure how you'd get the Programmator or Panasonic > apps to communicate from the remote side. Check out www.equinox.com. > > Sam Sam, Could you merge this into libtiff 3.8 beta? A new 'contrib' ? Dave ;) ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Sat Oct 13 23:07:51 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15seRB-00077r-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Sat, 13 Oct 2001 23:07:49 -0700 Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 02:08:25 -0400 From: JimMarks Subject: KX-T: Re: TVS50 with 61610 KSU integration? To: Jordan Bell , kxt@kxthelp.com Message-id: <000d01c15476$a3163420$b554be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Why is YOUR customer buying his tvs50 for his 616 from out of state? And expecting you to integrate it? From: "Jordan Bell" Subject: KX-T: TVS50 with 61610 KSU integration? > I have a customer that has a KXT 61610 KSU and was sold a TVS50 by a dealer from out of state. I noticed in the TVS50 manual that it does not show a integration for a 61610 but does show the analog 123211. > > Has anyone been able to integrate these 2 successfully? If so, do you have any documentation that describes the integration or do you choose 123211 and change the same items on the 61610 as it shows for the 123211; i.e. hunt groups. > > Thanks, Jordan Bell 626/403-0515 or fax 626/403-9896 > jordanbell@att.net > > > > ********************************************************* > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > ********************************************************* > ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Sun Oct 14 04:50:05 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15sjmL-0007Fu-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Sun, 14 Oct 2001 04:50:01 -0700 Message-ID: <018801c154a6$08db7930$9865fea9@michael850> From: "Michael N. Marcus" To: "Jordan Bell" Cc: References: Subject: KX-T: Re: TVS50 with 61610 KSU integration? Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 05:15:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Hi, Jordan... Any customer who tries to use a VS50 with an old 616 is a good prospect for a new A624 or D816. We are an "out of state" dealer and strongly warn any prospective user of a TVS50/616 combo that he will HATE it. There is no message waiting indication, and system setup and transferring calls to mailboxes is a big PITA. Do your customer a favor and sell him a new KSU, and maybe some new phones and Caller ID, too. The old 616 is fine for a vacation home or a boat or a cab company, or sell it on ebay. FWIW, recent 123211 KSUs have voice mail integration (which is why the 123211 is listed in the setup menu for the VPS), but ana 308s and 616s don't have integration. Michael N. Marcus AbleComm, Inc. www.ablecomm.com www.theTekHouse.com -- our 12th website ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jordan Bell" To: Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 12:17 AM Subject: KX-T: TVS50 with 61610 KSU integration? > I have a customer that has a KXT 61610 KSU and was sold a TVS50 by a dealer from out of state. I noticed in the TVS50 manual that it does not show a integration for a 61610 but does show the analog 123211. > > Has anyone been able to integrate these 2 successfully? If so, do you have any documentation that describes the integration or do you choose 123211 and change the same items on the 61610 as it shows for the 123211; i.e. hunt groups. > > Thanks, Jordan Bell 626/403-0515 or fax 626/403-9896 > jordanbell@att.net > > > > ********************************************************* > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > ********************************************************* > ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Sun Oct 14 06:18:23 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15sl9p-0007HH-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Sun, 14 Oct 2001 06:18:21 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20011014091741.00a02ea0@wcnet.org> X-Sender: cnavarro@wcnet.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 09:17:41 -0400 To: Monty Solomon , kxt@kxthelp.com From: Carl Navarro Subject: Re: KX-T: KX-T123211D won't power up Cc: Monty Solomon In-Reply-To: References: <000501c0b1aa$f6c90620$c350be18@computer> <000501c0b1aa$f6c90620$c350be18@computer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk At 01:30 AM 10/14/2001 -0400, Monty Solomon wrote: >Hi. > >I recently moved my KX-T123211D sytem and it won't power up now. > >I checked the fuse and it appears to be OK. > >Does the system require a functional P-01H-F2G1 battery in order >to power on? no > >I forgot to remove the P-01H-F2G1 battery and the system was >powered off for about two weeks. > >Where can I get a replacement P-01H-F2G1 battery? >How much should it cost? try a distributor about $18. >What else would prevent the system from powering up? Sigh, it's the power supply :-(. After toasting a few of 'em I'll bet yours has gone to power supply heaven. >Where can I get it fixed? Panasonic repair in Atlanta or, when you get up off the floor after hearing the repair estimate...... Go out and find a 24 volt power supply. A Valcom VP4024 or an old PS for an ITT 701 KSU, something with 2 or 4 Amps, will do nicely. Get yourself the MOLEX connector that fits on the side and see if that fixes it. Nine times out of 10 it will. Carl Navarro P.S. If you need more help, like where the negative and positive go, email me when you have the power supply in your hands. ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Sun Oct 14 07:01:26 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15slpU-0007Hw-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Sun, 14 Oct 2001 07:01:24 -0700 From: "L. M. Rappaport" To: kxt@kxthelp.com Subject: Re: KX-T: Controlling a 1232 via the internet? Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 09:59:37 -0400 Organization: L. M. Rappaport & Associates, Inc. Reply-To: rapp@lmr.com Message-ID: References: <33757D46ADF9D211809000902771A1F430E622@ns2.alloyventures.com> <3.0.6.32.20011013111022.009a8928@wcnet.org> <0bcb01c15415$a520a130$b2957c42@errno.com> In-Reply-To: <0bcb01c15415$a520a130$b2957c42@errno.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk This looks REALLY interesting. I'm looking into it. It looks like the serial port is virtualized and will appear on a client machine as just another serial port. If this is so, then you would use Programmator or whatever software on a client machine and select the virtual port as the connection. Has anybody done this? I'd like to give it a whirl, not just for the 1232, but for control of some home automation stuff, like the Ocelot, etc... Larry -- rapp@lmr.com On Sat, 13 Oct 2001 11:34:08 -0700, you wrote (with possible editing): >Equinox makes a line of "serial hubs" and managed servers. A single line >managed unit is ~$200. Not sure how you'd get the Programmator or Panasonic >apps to communicate from the remote side. Check out www.equinox.com. > > Sam > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Carl Navarro" >To: ; "John Shoch" ; > >Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 8:10 AM >Subject: RE: KX-T: Controlling a 1232 via the internet? > > >> At 10:27 AM 10/13/2001 -0400, mark@markds3.com wrote: >> >There is a box that does exactly this function.... Connects to the Pana >> >serial port and has a NET interface. Cost less than $200 (US dollars). >> >Allows high-speed programming of the Digital's. I can get the entire >1232-4 >> >program from the cabinet in less than 10 seconds on my NET connection ! >> >> I'll play the straight man. Who, where? > > > > > ********************************************************* > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > ********************************************************* ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Sun Oct 14 07:14:03 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15sm1i-0007IJ-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Sun, 14 Oct 2001 07:14:02 -0700 From: "L. M. Rappaport" To: "Sam Leffler" , kxt@kxthelp.com Subject: Re: KX-T: Controlling a 1232 via the internet? Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 10:12:12 -0400 Organization: L. M. Rappaport & Associates, Inc. Reply-To: rapp@lmr.com Message-ID: References: <33757D46ADF9D211809000902771A1F430E622@ns2.alloyventures.com> <3.0.6.32.20011013111022.009a8928@wcnet.org> <0bcb01c15415$a520a130$b2957c42@errno.com> In-Reply-To: <0bcb01c15415$a520a130$b2957c42@errno.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Sam, The only single line unit I see is $299. Do you have another source? Thanks, Larry -- rapp@lmr.com On Sat, 13 Oct 2001 11:34:08 -0700, you wrote (with possible editing): >Equinox makes a line of "serial hubs" and managed servers. A single line >managed unit is ~$200. Not sure how you'd get the Programmator or Panasonic >apps to communicate from the remote side. Check out www.equinox.com. > > Sam > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Carl Navarro" >To: ; "John Shoch" ; > >Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 8:10 AM >Subject: RE: KX-T: Controlling a 1232 via the internet? > > >> At 10:27 AM 10/13/2001 -0400, mark@markds3.com wrote: >> >There is a box that does exactly this function.... Connects to the Pana >> >serial port and has a NET interface. Cost less than $200 (US dollars). >> >Allows high-speed programming of the Digital's. I can get the entire >1232-4 >> >program from the cabinet in less than 10 seconds on my NET connection ! >> >> I'll play the straight man. Who, where? > > > > > ********************************************************* > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > ********************************************************* ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Sun Oct 14 09:01:12 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15snhO-0007JT-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Sun, 14 Oct 2001 09:01:10 -0700 From: "Kim Knapp" To: Cc: "KXT" Subject: RE: KX-T: Controlling a 1232 via the internet? Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 09:56:20 -0600 Message-ID: <000001c154c8$c4648940$6500a8c0@vail.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Buy.com has it for a little less. I wonder if anyone else makes a similar product for less. Kim > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kxt@nccom.com [mailto:owner-kxt@nccom.com]On Behalf Of L. M. > Rappaport > Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 8:12 AM > To: Sam Leffler; kxt@kxthelp.com > Subject: Re: KX-T: Controlling a 1232 via the internet? > > > Sam, > > The only single line unit I see is $299. Do you have another > source? Thanks, > > Larry > -- > rapp@lmr.com > > On Sat, 13 Oct 2001 11:34:08 -0700, you wrote (with possible editing): > > >Equinox makes a line of "serial hubs" and managed servers. A single line > >managed unit is ~$200. Not sure how you'd get the Programmator > or Panasonic > >apps to communicate from the remote side. Check out www.equinox.com. > > > > Sam > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Carl Navarro" > >To: ; "John Shoch" ; > > > >Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 8:10 AM > >Subject: RE: KX-T: Controlling a 1232 via the internet? > > > > > >> At 10:27 AM 10/13/2001 -0400, mark@markds3.com wrote: > >> >There is a box that does exactly this function.... Connects > to the Pana > >> >serial port and has a NET interface. Cost less than $200 (US > dollars). > >> >Allows high-speed programming of the Digital's. I can get the entire > >1232-4 > >> >program from the cabinet in less than 10 seconds on my NET > connection ! > >> > >> I'll play the straight man. Who, where? > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************* > > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > > ********************************************************* > > > > ********************************************************* > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > ********************************************************* > ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Sun Oct 14 10:05:19 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15sohS-0007KD-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Sun, 14 Oct 2001 10:05:18 -0700 Message-ID: <002601c154d2$83d62780$0300a8c0@verizon.net> From: "Charles Patterson" To: , "Monty Solomon" Cc: "Monty Solomon" References: <000501c0b1aa$f6c90620$c350be18@computer> Subject: KX-T: Re: KX-T123211D won't power up Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 13:05:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Along with the possibility that the power supply has gone bad is the other possibility that connections have gotten loose when you moved it. Check ALL connections, circuit boards, etc. charles ----- Original Message ----- From: "Monty Solomon" To: Cc: "Monty Solomon" Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 1:30 AM Subject: KX-T: KX-T123211D won't power up > Hi. > > I recently moved my KX-T123211D sytem and it won't power up now. > > I checked the fuse and it appears to be OK. > > Does the system require a functional P-01H-F2G1 battery in order > to power on? > > I forgot to remove the P-01H-F2G1 battery and the system was > powered off for about two weeks. > > Where can I get a replacement P-01H-F2G1 battery? > How much should it cost? > > What else would prevent the system from powering up? > > Where can I get it fixed? > > Thanks. > > Monty > > > > ********************************************************* > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > ********************************************************* > ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Sun Oct 14 10:22:15 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15soxq-0007Kk-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Sun, 14 Oct 2001 10:22:14 -0700 Message-ID: <0cb601c154d4$bbbc3c00$b2957c42@errno.com> From: "Sam Leffler" To: , References: <33757D46ADF9D211809000902771A1F430E622@ns2.alloyventures.com> <3.0.6.32.20011013111022.009a8928@wcnet.org> <0bcb01c15415$a520a130$b2957c42@errno.com> Subject: Re: KX-T: Controlling a 1232 via the internet? Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 10:22:00 -0700 Organization: Errno Consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk I'm pretty sure I saw the MDS-10 model for $200 somewhere on the web. A quick search at www.streetprices.com for "MDS-10" however shows a low price of $231 (+$10 for s&h). Sam ----- Original Message ----- From: "L. M. Rappaport" To: "Sam Leffler" ; Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 7:12 AM Subject: Re: KX-T: Controlling a 1232 via the internet? > Sam, > > The only single line unit I see is $299. Do you have another > source? Thanks, > > Larry > -- > rapp@lmr.com > > On Sat, 13 Oct 2001 11:34:08 -0700, you wrote (with possible editing): > > >Equinox makes a line of "serial hubs" and managed servers. A single line > >managed unit is ~$200. Not sure how you'd get the Programmator or Panasonic > >apps to communicate from the remote side. Check out www.equinox.com. > > > > Sam > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Carl Navarro" > >To: ; "John Shoch" ; > > > >Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 8:10 AM > >Subject: RE: KX-T: Controlling a 1232 via the internet? > > > > > >> At 10:27 AM 10/13/2001 -0400, mark@markds3.com wrote: > >> >There is a box that does exactly this function.... Connects to the Pana > >> >serial port and has a NET interface. Cost less than $200 (US dollars). > >> >Allows high-speed programming of the Digital's. I can get the entire > >1232-4 > >> >program from the cabinet in less than 10 seconds on my NET connection ! > >> > >> I'll play the straight man. Who, where? > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************* > > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > > ********************************************************* > > > > ********************************************************* > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > ********************************************************* > > > ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Sun Oct 14 12:46:10 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15srD7-0007MD-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Sun, 14 Oct 2001 12:46:09 -0700 From: Richard McCoy Subject: KX-T: TVS50 wont't answer To: kxt@kxthelp.com Message-Id: Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 12:46:06 -0700 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Thanks to one and all I decided to hook up my KXTD1232 at work along with my current TVS50 replacing my old analog 616 PBX. I think I got the integration between the 1232 and TVS50 ok, I was able to reach the TVS via ext 165 or 166. However the TVS would not answer any calls. I had it set up with a day and night mode. Night answer with a custom service almost on the first ring. Day mode was a different custom service answering after 30 seconds. Why is the TVS not answering any calls? Rick McCoy ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Sun Oct 14 14:53:01 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15stBr-0007NS-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Sun, 14 Oct 2001 14:52:59 -0700 Message-ID: <002f01c154fa$e6e7e980$6701a8c0@portable> From: "Harry from Select Telecom Systems" To: "Jordan Bell" , References: Subject: KX-T: Re: TVS50 with 61610 KSU integration? Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 17:55:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk the tvs 50 will work with the kxt61610 it will just work clumsily but it will work it will not light up message light but we can make it notify the users in a couple of ways........if you know how; the end user thought he'd be smart and save money.....money he may have saved but he gained very little..... so let him learn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jordan Bell" To: Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 12:17 AM Subject: KX-T: TVS50 with 61610 KSU integration? > I have a customer that has a KXT 61610 KSU and was sold a TVS50 by a dealer from out of state. I noticed in the TVS50 manual that it does not show a integration for a 61610 but does show the analog 123211. > > Has anyone been able to integrate these 2 successfully? If so, do you have any documentation that describes the integration or do you choose 123211 and change the same items on the 61610 as it shows for the 123211; i.e. hunt groups. > > Thanks, Jordan Bell 626/403-0515 or fax 626/403-9896 > jordanbell@att.net > > > > ********************************************************* > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > ********************************************************* > ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Sun Oct 14 18:46:37 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15swpv-0007PT-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Sun, 14 Oct 2001 18:46:35 -0700 From: David Toppin Subject: KX-T: Group paging to two seperate groups To: kxt@kxthelp.com Message-Id: Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 18:46:32 -0700 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Hi Guys, I have a TVS 200 and a 1232-3. I have extensions in my house and business on the same property. I understand how to page all by pushing 330, but that pages both house and business. I'd like to be able to page all in just business (ext 101 to 109) and just house (ext 110 through 114). Is there any way to do this? Can I set up a flex key or two on each of the phones (mostly KX-T7433 & 36's)to achieve this? I have Oleg's Programmator program, which I love. I also have the software issue on the TVS 200 that turns off or locks up the voicemail when someone with a blocked number calls. I have tried a couple of different modems set to Panasonics specs but I haven't been able to get one to work. Does anyone know of a modem that is simple to program and get to work? Thanks In Advance Dave Toppin ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Sun Oct 14 18:59:50 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15sx2j-0007Pw-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Sun, 14 Oct 2001 18:59:49 -0700 From: "Michael Karaman" To: "David Toppin" , Subject: RE: KX-T: Group paging to two seperate groups Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 21:53:49 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk This is a simple one: Set the house phones in extension group 1 and the business phones in extension group 2. 331 will page group 1, 332 will page group 2, 330 will page all groups. Program keys for each of these numbers. The voice mail needs a software upgrade to remedy this problem. Michael Karaman President The Phone Network, Inc. 894-B Elm Street Fayetteville, NC 28303 910-222-1234 Fax 484-1234 http://www.thephonetwork.com/ -----Original Message----- From: owner-kxt@nccom.com [mailto:owner-kxt@nccom.com]On Behalf Of David Toppin Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 9:47 PM To: kxt@kxthelp.com Subject: KX-T: Group paging to two seperate groups Hi Guys, I have a TVS 200 and a 1232-3. I have extensions in my house and business on the same property. I understand how to page all by pushing 330, but that pages both house and business. I'd like to be able to page all in just business (ext 101 to 109) and just house (ext 110 through 114). Is there any way to do this? Can I set up a flex key or two on each of the phones (mostly KX-T7433 & 36's)to achieve this? I have Oleg's Programmator program, which I love. I also have the software issue on the TVS 200 that turns off or locks up the voicemail when someone with a blocked number calls. I have tried a couple of different modems set to Panasonics specs but I haven't been able to get one to work. Does anyone know of a modem that is simple to program and get to work? Thanks In Advance Dave Toppin ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Sun Oct 14 19:07:41 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15sxAJ-0007QU-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Sun, 14 Oct 2001 19:07:39 -0700 Message-ID: <001c01c1551e$4a4c9fc0$98f4a8c0@home866> From: "Bob Bruskin" To: "David Toppin" Cc: "kxt help" References: Subject: KX-T: Re: Group paging to two seperate groups Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 22:08:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Zoom Modem from Communicator Tel is the only one I found that works with the TVS 100 and should also work with the TVS 200. I use the Hyperlink Software. Works great. I don't have the model handy but call 800-777-1036 and ask for John at ext. 107. He will preset the internal codes so it is ready to use. He gets about $120 for it. It is an old Zoom 33.3K model. He seems to be able to get them. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Toppin" To: Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 9:46 PM Subject: KX-T: Group paging to two seperate groups > Hi Guys, > > I have a TVS 200 and a 1232-3. I have extensions in my house and business on the same property. I understand how to page all by pushing 330, but that pages both house and business. I'd like to be able to page all in just business (ext 101 to 109) and just house (ext 110 through 114). Is there any way to do this? Can I set up a flex key or two on each of the phones (mostly KX-T7433 & 36's)to achieve this? > > I have Oleg's Programmator program, which I love. > > I also have the software issue on the TVS 200 that turns off or locks up the voicemail when someone with a blocked number calls. I have tried a couple of different modems set to Panasonics specs but I haven't been able to get one to work. Does anyone know of a modem that is simple to program and get to work? > > Thanks In Advance > > Dave Toppin > > > > ********************************************************* > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > ********************************************************* ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Sun Oct 14 22:14:09 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15t04l-0007SA-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Sun, 14 Oct 2001 22:14:07 -0700 Message-ID: <001701c15538$50942460$0300a8c0@verizon.net> Reply-To: "Charles P" From: "Charles P" To: "Richard McCoy" , References: Subject: KX-T: Re: TVS50 wont't answer Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 01:12:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Rick, Are you setting the delay answer from in the TVS? don't do it that way if you are. If you want night mode to answer immediately, set it to DIL 1:1 for each line to 165. Also, in the trunk groups menu, you need to set the Intercept Routing for day and night to ext 165 (set it per trunk group). That way calls that are unanswered will get routed to the TVS. If you want a delayed answer during the day, set the Intercept Routing TIMER to the number of rings you want it to pick up at. I usually set systems to 4 rings. Keep the TVS delay answer to 0. If you want night mode to answer at a different time delay than the intercept routing is set at, then you may need to use the TVS delay settings, but most people don't need it. Charles ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard McCoy" To: Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 3:46 PM Subject: KX-T: TVS50 wont't answer > Thanks to one and all I decided to hook up my KXTD1232 at work along with my current TVS50 replacing my old analog 616 PBX. I think I got the integration between the 1232 and TVS50 ok, I was able to reach the TVS via ext 165 or 166. However the TVS would not answer any calls. I had it set up with a day and night mode. Night answer with a custom service almost on the first ring. Day mode was a different custom service answering after 30 seconds. Why is the TVS not answering any calls? > > Rick McCoy > > > > > ********************************************************* > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > ********************************************************* > ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Mon Oct 15 00:54:30 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15t2Zx-0007Tk-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 00:54:29 -0700 From: "Kim Knapp" To: "KXT" Subject: KX-T: Other Internet-serial devices Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 01:50:07 -0600 Message-ID: <000101c1554e$023c4980$6500a8c0@vail.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Lantronix is another source of devices that let you extend your RS-232 through ethernet. ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Mon Oct 15 10:18:02 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15tBNI-0007ck-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 10:18:00 -0700 Message-ID: <04da01c15590$bd908060$9865fea9@michael850> From: "Michael N. Marcus" To: "Richard McCoy" Cc: References: Subject: KX-T: Re: TVS50 wont't answer Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 16:24:53 -0400 Resent-From: jimmy@nccom.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 10:17:58 -0700 Resent-To: kxt@nccom.com Resent-Message-Id: Sender: owner-kxt Precedence: bulk > Thanks to one and all I decided to hook up my KXTD1232 at work along > with my current TVS50 replacing my old analog 616 PBX. I think I got > = the integration between the 1232 and TVS50 ok, I was able to reach > the = TVS via ext 165 or 166. However the TVS would not answer any > calls. I = had it set up with a day and night mode. Night answer > with a custom = service almost on the first ring. Day mode was a > different custom = service answering after 30 seconds. Why is the > TVS not answering any = calls? Because you probably didn't tell it to. A. If you want it to answer as a backup system, if people are unable to = answer first: 1.. Use INTERCEPT ROUTING (programs # 409 & 410) to send un-answered = calls to the extension number that corresponds to that jack, such as = extension 108 for jack 8. (You can also enter the artificial extension = number, e.g. 165). Unless you have a good reason not to, send all = "trunk groups" (phone lines) to the same jack. You can enter "star" to = program all trunk groups the same, to save programming time.=20 2.. Use INTERCEPT TIME (program #203) to select the number of rings = before an un-answered call is sent to the VPS. NOTE: minimum setting for = step #203 is 3 rings, which will probably seem like 4 rings to callers.=20 B. DIL 1:1 (program #407 & 408) is used if you want all calls to be = immediately answered by the Voice Processing System. Direct the lines to = the extension number for the Voice Processing System (usually an = artificial #165 in a KX-TD816 or D1232 system, or #295 in a KX-TD308, = regardless of the jack specified in #117).=20 more at www.ablecomm.com/vpinst2.htm Michael N. Marcus AbleComm, Inc. www.ablecomm.com etc. ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Mon Oct 15 10:23:51 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15tBSv-0007d3-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 10:23:49 -0700 Message-ID: <018901c154a6$0a0d1b60$9865fea9@michael850> From: "Michael N. Marcus" To: "Monty Solomon" Cc: References: <000501c0b1aa$f6c90620$c350be18@computer> Subject: KX-T: Re: KX-T123211D won't power up Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 05:22:26 -0400 Resent-From: jimmy@nccom.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 10:23:46 -0700 Resent-To: kxt@nccom.com Resent-Message-Id: Sender: owner-kxt Precedence: bulk > Hi. > > I recently moved my KX-T123211D sytem and it won't power up now. >=20 I checked the fuse and it appears to be OK. The power supply is the weak spot in the 123211. > Does the system require a functional P-01H-F2G1 battery in order > to power on? I doubt it. > I forgot to remove the P-01H-F2G1 battery and the system was > powered off for about two weeks. > > Where can I get a replacement P-01H-F2G1 battery? Pan parts - 1 800 833-9626 or online at = http://www.pasc.panasonic.com/epartr/ > How much should it cost? $27.90 > What else would prevent the system from powering up? > Where can I get it fixed? We send all our repairs to Pan in Atlanta. 770 518 6469. Michael N. Marcus AbleComm, Inc. www.ablecomm.com=20 www.theTekHouse.com -- our 12th website ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Mon Oct 15 10:25:28 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15tBUU-0007dM-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 10:25:26 -0700 Message-ID: <018a01c154a6$0b7beda0$9865fea9@michael850> From: "Michael N. Marcus" To: "Richard McCoy" Cc: References: Subject: KX-T: Re: ROM Version and Digital Integration Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 05:34:53 -0400 Resent-From: jimmy@nccom.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 10:25:23 -0700 Resent-To: kxt@nccom.com Resent-Message-Id: Sender: owner-kxt Precedence: bulk > I thought I was ready to install my KXDT1232 with my TVS50 tomorrow = > but now it seems my ROM version on the KXDT123 is in need of updating if = > I want to use digital integration. I have the following ROM version on = > the KXTD1232 > P231M81002A and serial# 9EC1K038760 Hi, Rick... The 9 in the serial number indicates 1999 manufacturing date. The D1232 = was introduced in 1994, and I think all but the very earliest versions = had digital integration. > The TVS50 manual indicates I need a version at least P231U or greater. = Don't believe everything you read -- ESPECIALLY in a Panasonic manual. > 1. Do I need a new ROM to set up the unit or no > 2. Can I still install the unit and then put a new ROM in later? yes > 3. If I can install the 1232 with this ROM I have, what features > will = I be lacking? Based on the 1999 date, I think you have a "dash 3" version. The dash 4 = was introduced in 2000. Here are the changes that affect a VPS: a.. Multiple Message Waiting Lamps. You can now have more than one = message waiting light/button on a single proprietary phone, and several = phones can have light/buttons for the same mail box. Additionally, = phantom extensions can have message waiting light/buttons. A maximum of = 128 light/buttons can be set up in a system.=20 a.. Voice Mail Port Name Display. Your phones can display a name with up = to ten characters to let you know which port a call is coming from. This = could be useful if you have different ports for business and personal = use, or for multiple businesses sharing a system.=20 a.. Selectable Flashing or Steady FWD/DND light. Lots of people HATE the = flashing FWD/DND button on their phone, and shut it off and lose system = functions. With the dash four revision, you can select steady or = flashing for DND and for FWD. I'd like to have a flashing = message-waiting light -- the steady light is too easy to ignore.=20 More on dash-4 at http://www.ablecomm.com/dashfour.htm > 4. If I need a ROM does ABLECOMM sell them? =20 Sure. Michael N. Marcus AbleComm, Inc. www.ablecomm.com=20 www.theTekHouse.com -- our 12th website ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Mon Oct 15 10:43:02 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15tBlU-0007dv-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 10:43:00 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 12:42:49 -0500 Subject: Re: KX-T: Re: TVS50 wont't answer From: dave To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <04da01c15590$bd908060$9865fea9@michael850> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk on 10/14/01 3:24 PM, Michael N. Marcus at TheOffice@ablecomm.com wrote: > 2.. Use INTERCEPT TIME (program #203) to select the number of rings = > before an un-answered call is sent to the VPS. NOTE: minimum setting for = > step #203 is 3 rings, which will probably seem like 4 rings to callers.=20 > B. DIL 1:1 (program #407 & 408) is used if you want all calls to be = > immediately answered by the Voice Processing System. Direct the lines to = > the extension number for the Voice Processing System (usually an = > artificial #165 in a KX-TD816 or D1232 system, or #295 in a KX-TD308, = > regardless of the jack specified in #117).=20 If you set DIL 1:1 to VPS, does the D1232 still receive CallerID data? This seems to be a major shortcoming of the system - if you want caller id info *and* the VPS to answer every call the caller (and client) must always wait for 4 rings to drag on... dave ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Mon Oct 15 11:47:35 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15tCly-0007eh-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Mon, 15 Oct 2001 11:47:34 -0700 Message-ID: <005501c155a9$f9b7f0a0$0300a8c0@verizon.net> From: "Charles Patterson" To: "dave" , References: Subject: Re: KX-T: Re: TVS50 wont't answer Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 14:48:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk The TVS will capture the caller id (you make sure the TVS waits 1 ring for the cid signal to come in- but that's what everyone has to do anyway) Then it will pass it on to the station receiving the call as long as it's transfer sequence is set properly (fxd will do it, I think fx may not, someone else may clarify that for me). charles ----- Original Message ----- From: "dave" To: Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 1:42 PM Subject: Re: KX-T: Re: TVS50 wont't answer > on 10/14/01 3:24 PM, Michael N. Marcus at TheOffice@ablecomm.com wrote: > > > 2.. Use INTERCEPT TIME (program #203) to select the number of rings = > > before an un-answered call is sent to the VPS. NOTE: minimum setting for = > > step #203 is 3 rings, which will probably seem like 4 rings to callers.=20 > > B. DIL 1:1 (program #407 & 408) is used if you want all calls to be = > > immediately answered by the Voice Processing System. Direct the lines to = > > the extension number for the Voice Processing System (usually an = > > artificial #165 in a KX-TD816 or D1232 system, or #295 in a KX-TD308, = > > regardless of the jack specified in #117).=20 > > If you set DIL 1:1 to VPS, does the D1232 still receive CallerID data? > > This seems to be a major shortcoming of the system - if you want caller id > info *and* the VPS to answer every call the caller (and client) must always > wait for 4 rings to drag on... > > dave > > > > ********************************************************* > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > ********************************************************* > > ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Tue Oct 16 03:09:54 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15tRAW-0007mK-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Tue, 16 Oct 2001 03:09:52 -0700 From: nick Subject: KX-T: Interconnection & rom version To: kxt@kxthelp.com Message-Id: Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 03:09:49 -0700 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Hi I tried to interconnect 2 kx-td1232ML with the card but fail. I have done a couple of these before but did not face any problem until now. I suspect it is the rom version as the first cabinet was install 1 1/2 years ago. I need a short explanation of the EPROM version. Next question Do i need to clear all my first cabinet programming when installing the interconnection card? Next question What is latest progmator version?I get some error when trying to download the 1232ml data? ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Wed Oct 17 17:49:35 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15u1NN-0000P7-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 17:49:33 -0700 From: JTCOM2@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 20:48:45 EDT Subject: Re: KX-T: KX-T123211D won't power up To: monty@roscom.com, kxt@kxthelp.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_ad.11f9b31d.28ff80ed_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10539 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk --part1_ad.11f9b31d.28ff80ed_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Remove all extension and line cards, than power up. If it doesn't than it's power supply. Sincerely, Joseph Torn --part1_ad.11f9b31d.28ff80ed_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Remove all extension and line cards, than power up. If it doesn't than it's power supply.

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Joseph Torn --part1_ad.11f9b31d.28ff80ed_boundary-- ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Wed Oct 17 19:59:38 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15u3PE-0000QZ-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Wed, 17 Oct 2001 19:59:36 -0700 Message-ID: <20011018025932.86065.qmail@web12008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 19:59:32 -0700 (PDT) From: larry Subject: Re: KX-T: KX-T123211D won't power up To: kxt@kxthelp.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk pop the cover, check the three leds on the small board at the lower right side. All three leds must be lit, if none lit, bad power supply. If some leds are lit, there is a serious problem on one of the plugged in cards (CO, EXT, CPU etc) Board sets same way the plug-in cards set, has lots of white wires plugged onto board, with the three leds in a row, pointing to the left side of box. -larry --- JTCOM2@aol.com wrote: > Remove all extension and line cards, than power up. > If it doesn't than it's > power supply. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Thu Oct 18 07:39:57 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15uEKy-0000Zi-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 07:39:56 -0700 From: Chris@fowlerhousehold.com (Chris Fowler) To: Subject: KX-T: Clicking noise on Background Music Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 07:39:50 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: <20011018025932.86065.qmail@web12008.mail.yahoo.com> Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Here's a teaser for you all.... On KX-TD816 the Background Music has a clicking noise once every 2-3 mins. The noise occurs regardless of music source plugged in, and also occurs if no source is plugged in! Any ideas? Cheers, Chris. ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Thu Oct 18 08:15:26 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15uEtI-0000aP-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 08:15:24 -0700 Message-ID: <006d01c157e7$8f2038c0$06c1ff3e@co.uk> Reply-To: "Mark" From: "Mark" To: "Chris Fowler" , References: Subject: KX-T: Re: Clicking noise on Background Music Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 16:14:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Just wondering. How long does the clicking last, is it just a single click (like a power spike from a photocopier keeping itself warm or a coffee perculator perhaps). Has this only recently started to happen or is it a long running issue. If a new problem, has anything electrical been bought (or moved nearer the system) at around the same time perhaps? You might manage to de-sensitise the system by placing a load of around 8 ohms in parallel with the audio source. Often MOH units have quite a high impedance (especially the cheap and cheerful cd players). Mark Powered by http://www.lineisp.co.uk - Fast Free UK Internet (Modem & ISDN) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Fowler" To: Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 3:39 PM Subject: KX-T: Clicking noise on Background Music > Here's a teaser for you all.... > > On KX-TD816 the Background Music has a clicking noise once every 2-3 mins. > The noise occurs regardless of music source plugged in, and also occurs if > no source is plugged in! > > Any ideas? > > Cheers, Chris. ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Thu Oct 18 08:24:16 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15uF1q-0000ai-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 08:24:14 -0700 From: Chris@fowlerhousehold.com (Chris Fowler) To: "Mark" , Subject: KX-T: RE: Clicking noise on Background Music Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 08:23:08 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: <006d01c157e7$8f2038c0$06c1ff3e@co.uk> Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk > Just wondering. How long does the clicking last, is it just a single click > (like a power spike from a photocopier keeping itself warm or a coffee > perculator perhaps). It's a permanent problem, ever since the system was installed. It's only an issue now as the BGM feature is being used as the output for a room monitor, so clicking through the night is unacceptable. > Has this only recently started to happen or is it a > long running issue. If a new problem, has anything electrical been bought > (or moved nearer the system) at around the same time perhaps? It's on the same UPS as a server, nothing else comes to mind. > You might manage to de-sensitise the system by placing a load of around 8 > ohms in parallel with the audio source. Often MOH units have quite a high > impedance (especially the cheap and cheerful cd players). Ok, I'll give it a try. Rgds, Chris. ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Thu Oct 18 08:42:15 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15uFJG-0000b6-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 08:42:14 -0700 From: Mack Subject: KX-T: TVS Integration. To: kxt@kxthelp.com Message-Id: Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 08:42:11 -0700 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Have a KX-TD1232-1 that is Integrated to a KX-TVS100. Have defaulted both units twice and re-integrated twice. Trouble is that when TVS answers incoming calls the voice mail says you have reached mail box 101. 4 ports are set to use Customer Greating 1 and Custom screen 1 both have recorded messages to use on anser. I think I have a bad TVS unit. Both units are used. Does anyone have an answer of remedy? ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Thu Oct 18 08:47:29 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15uFOK-0000bS-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 08:47:28 -0700 Message-ID: <016801c157ec$4eb70480$0300a8c0@verizon.net> From: "Charles Patterson" To: "Chris Fowler" , References: Subject: KX-T: Re: Clicking noise on Background Music Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 11:48:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Do you keep SMDR plugged in or a laptop for programming? Often the sound of data from the serial port can bleed into the moh line. charles ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Fowler" To: Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 10:39 AM Subject: KX-T: Clicking noise on Background Music > Here's a teaser for you all.... > > On KX-TD816 the Background Music has a clicking noise once every 2-3 mins. > The noise occurs regardless of music source plugged in, and also occurs if > no source is plugged in! > > Any ideas? > > Cheers, Chris. > > > > ********************************************************* > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > ********************************************************* > > ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Thu Oct 18 09:27:26 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15uG0y-0000c7-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 09:27:24 -0700 From: Chris@fowlerhousehold.com (Chris Fowler) To: "Charles Patterson" , Subject: KX-T: RE: Clicking noise on Background Music Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 09:27:20 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: <016801c157ec$4eb70480$0300a8c0@verizon.net> Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk > Do you keep SMDR plugged in or a laptop for programming? I do, but problem still occurs after unplugging. Could it be a grounding issue? Chris ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Thu Oct 18 09:51:40 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15uGOQ-0000cY-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 09:51:38 -0700 Message-ID: <018001c157f5$46728980$0300a8c0@verizon.net> From: "Charles Patterson" To: "Mack" , References: Subject: KX-T: Re: TVS Integration. Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 12:52:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Do you have digital integration enabled ok? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mack" To: Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 11:42 AM Subject: KX-T: TVS Integration. > Have a KX-TD1232-1 that is Integrated to a KX-TVS100. Have defaulted both units twice and re-integrated twice. Trouble is that when TVS answers incoming calls the voice mail says you have reached mail box 101. 4 ports are set to use Customer Greating 1 and Custom screen 1 both have recorded messages to use on anser. I think I have a bad TVS unit. Both units are used. Does anyone have an answer of remedy? > > > > ********************************************************* > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > ********************************************************* > ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Thu Oct 18 14:52:24 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15uL5S-0000fu-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 14:52:22 -0700 To: Chris@fowlerhousehold.com Cc: charles@avtele.com, kxt@kxthelp.com Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 17:36:12 -0400 Subject: Re: KX-T: RE: Clicking noise on Background Music Message-ID: <20011018.175945.-269493.2.dr.dongle@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-4,6-22,24-27 From: Chris L Snyder Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Are ther any electrical devices in the area of the building that work perodicaly like an electric fence, an out side sign that flashes, a water pump, a fan? any of these might be the source of the noise. On Thu, 18 Oct 2001 09:27:20 -0700 Chris@fowlerhousehold.com (Chris Fowler) writes: > > Do you keep SMDR plugged in or a laptop for programming? > > I do, but problem still occurs after unplugging. > > Could it be a grounding issue? > > Chris > > > ********************************************************* > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > ********************************************************* > All that is necessary for EVIL to triumph is for good people to do NOTHING! -Edmund Burke- Chris Snyder KD4 OGD Cosby, Tn. dr.dongle@juno.com Stop the madness...vote LIBERTARIAN ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Thu Oct 18 17:24:53 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15uNT1-0000he-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 17:24:51 -0700 Message-ID: <004601c15834$8f5f0f80$777ba8c0@Workgroup> From: "Randy Davidson" To: "Mack" Cc: "Panasonic help" References: Subject: KX-T: Re: TVS Integration. Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 20:25:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk The older D1232s (-0, -1) had a known problem. Quickest fix is to move the phone on extension 101 to another port and leave extension 101 unused. Delete mailbox 101. The system will now answer with the Custom Service as assigned. Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mack" To: Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 11:42 AM Subject: KX-T: TVS Integration. > Have a KX-TD1232-1 that is Integrated to a KX-TVS100. Have defaulted both units twice and re-integrated twice. Trouble is that when TVS answers incoming calls the voice mail says you have reached mail box 101. 4 ports are set to use Customer Greating 1 and Custom screen 1 both have recorded messages to use on anser. I think I have a bad TVS unit. Both units are used. Does anyone have an answer of remedy? > > > > ********************************************************* > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > ********************************************************* ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Fri Oct 19 00:11:33 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15uToZ-0000l9-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Fri, 19 Oct 2001 00:11:31 -0700 From: Jody Subject: KX-T: Group mailbox greeting To: kxt@kxthelp.com Message-Id: Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 00:11:28 -0700 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Fri Oct 19 00:20:00 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15uTwk-0000lc-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Fri, 19 Oct 2001 00:19:58 -0700 From: Jody Subject: KX-T: Group mailbox greeting To: kxt@kxthelp.com Message-Id: Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 00:19:55 -0700 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk does anyone know how to record the group mailbox greeting on the 100 voice mail. i have set up a group mailbox no 200 and put a number of phones into it, when calls come in they are greeted by a custom greeting which tells them to press 1 to leave a message, this directs them to the group mailbox 200 but the greeting they get there is "mailbox 200......." i have tried to change the greeting in the nomal way but it just says this is not possible. my purpose for this group mailbox is that when a message is left on the mailbox that it lights the MW lamp on all phones. this does work but the greeting is as above and i cant find how to change it. any help would be great Jody ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Fri Oct 19 00:45:54 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15uULm-0000m7-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Fri, 19 Oct 2001 00:45:50 -0700 From: Jody To: kxt@kxthelp.com Subject: KX-T: Group mailbox greeting Message-Id: Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 00:19:55 -0700 X-Note: This E-mail was sent from sinden.nccom.com. ([198.51.175.35]). X-RCPT-TO: X-UIDL: 438 Status: U Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk does anyone know how to record the group mailbox greeting on the 100 voice mail. i have set up a group mailbox no 200 and put a number of phones into it, when calls come in they are greeted by a custom greeting which tells them to press 1 to leave a message, this directs them to the group mailbox 200 but the greeting they get there is "mailbox 200......." i have tried to change the greeting in the nomal way but it just says this is not possible. my purpose for this group mailbox is that when a message is left on the mailbox that it lights the MW lamp on all phones. this does work but the greeting is as above and i cant find how to change it. any help would be great Jody ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Fri Oct 19 00:45:55 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15uULn-0000m8-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Fri, 19 Oct 2001 00:45:51 -0700 From: Jody To: kxt@kxthelp.com Subject: KX-T: Group mailbox greeting Message-Id: Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 00:11:28 -0700 X-Note: This E-mail was sent from sinden.nccom.com. ([198.51.175.35]). X-RCPT-TO: X-UIDL: 437 Status: U Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Fri Oct 19 01:00:33 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15uUZy-0000ms-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Fri, 19 Oct 2001 01:00:30 -0700 From: Jody To: kxt@kxthelp.com Subject: KX-T: Group mailbox greeting Message-Id: Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 00:19:55 -0700 X-Note: This E-mail was sent from sinden.nccom.com. ([198.51.175.35]). X-RCPT-TO: Status: U X-Note: This E-mail was sent from sinden.nccom.com. ([198.51.175.35]). X-UIDL: 440 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk does anyone know how to record the group mailbox greeting on the 100 voice mail. i have set up a group mailbox no 200 and put a number of phones into it, when calls come in they are greeted by a custom greeting which tells them to press 1 to leave a message, this directs them to the group mailbox 200 but the greeting they get there is "mailbox 200......." i have tried to change the greeting in the nomal way but it just says this is not possible. my purpose for this group mailbox is that when a message is left on the mailbox that it lights the MW lamp on all phones. this does work but the greeting is as above and i cant find how to change it. any help would be great Jody ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Fri Oct 19 01:00:38 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15uUa2-0000n6-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Fri, 19 Oct 2001 01:00:34 -0700 From: Jody To: kxt@kxthelp.com Subject: KX-T: Group mailbox greeting Message-Id: Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 00:11:28 -0700 X-Note: This E-mail was sent from sinden.nccom.com. ([198.51.175.35]). X-RCPT-TO: Status: U X-Note: This E-mail was sent from sinden.nccom.com. ([198.51.175.35]). X-UIDL: 441 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Fri Oct 19 20:07:54 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15umUK-00011i-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Fri, 19 Oct 2001 20:07:52 -0700 Message-ID: <20011020030748.42842.qmail@web12005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 20:07:48 -0700 (PDT) From: larry Subject: KX-T: making lemon-aide To: kxt@kxthelp.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk I hope this doesn't start the long, nasty threads that the subject seems to start. I'm looking for constructive ideas. We have been approached about installing systems bought over the internet. From a buyer, not the internet seller! Have you developed dual rate cards? We're not going to install these systems for the preferred rates we give customers where we do the total sale. And all the free follow-up we provide. I can see advantages, we don't carry tens of thousands in receivables! And we could charge for all the time we spend with this customer, even for telling him what to buy! And he gets to hassle with all equipment failures. I see a reasonable return here. Have you found a good way to make money from this business? What have I missed? Thanks -larry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Sat Oct 20 00:49:01 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15uqsN-000142-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Sat, 20 Oct 2001 00:48:59 -0700 X-envelope-info: Message-Id: <3.0.32.20011020004354.00a6d4e0@pop.sonic.net> X-Sender: pa@pop.sonic.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 00:43:55 -0700 To: larry From: Pat Thornton Subject: Re: KX-T: making lemon-aide Cc: kxt@kxthelp.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Larry, My opinion is that we, as independent dealers, do not support the sales efforts of internet sites. Not that some of them are not reputable, knowledgeable dealers in their own right. Many are, i.e. ablecomm. My latest dealer agreement with Panasonic specifically requires that we install every system that we sell. This is obviously impossible for internet dealers. They cannot provide the same level of service and customization that I feel is necessary for local dealers to remain competitive. What have you missed, you ask? Well, for one thing, you miss a reasonable markup on the equipment sales. You also miss sales for add-ons, upgrades, and replacements, if the end user is relying on an internet source. Yes, you can charge T&M for equipment failures, but realistically,given the reliablity of Panasonic products, how much can that be? And maybe most importantly, you are giving up the referral value of that customer. Wouldn't you rather have them tell their friends what good service you gave them, as opposed to what a good price they got over the internet? Let's face facts: Panasonic is not going to to get tough with internet dealers, because their main customer is not the dealer, but the distribution company. Panasonic is not going to risk their relationship with Graybar, or Sprint/North Supply or Teledymanics because they happen to be a little lax about who they sell to. Therefore it is incumbent upon us, the genuine certified dealer, to hold the hard line. I admit, it is tempting to just cave in and take the installation money from a customer who seems determined to buy online. I have done it once, and immediately regretted it. Having to refuse a internet customer's requests for training and support, even though I pointed out that they had already paid for support from their internet dealer, went against every fibre of my customer service ethic. I believe the opportunity exists for us value-added resellers to compete effectively with internet resellers. Many a user has forgotten the initial savings when faced with a business-threatening outage or failure when his only recourse is a dot-com address. I invite responsible opposing opinons - this is a large issue for us all. Pat Thornton TeleCom Services Co. Ukiah, CA pat@tlcm.com ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Sat Oct 20 04:56:52 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15uukF-00019z-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Sat, 20 Oct 2001 04:56:51 -0700 Message-ID: <001101c1595e$03a61b20$0200a8c0@u9h9i3> Reply-To: "Randy Dell" From: "Randy Dell" To: Subject: KX-T: RE: Making lemmon-aide Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 04:54:45 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk There are several Digital dealers where I work and live. Most do not do a good job. I usually end up with their customer eventually anyway. I would guess that about 50 -60% of the some 800 systems we care for, we did not install. We just get and keep them with good service. Lately we have been seeing more and more internet equipment coming to town. I look at every system, customer, as a source for continued income. This includes internet acquired equipment. I want about an hour or two from each customer per year. We do not get that from every customer and we get much more than that from most. Two of my largest consumers of labor, are systems I did not install. When a system comes to me, I always clean up the install, do everything the customer wants including the training they did not get from the original seller/installer, often I even have to supply the User Manual again. I charge for my time. We do not have dual pricing. Everyone gets the same price, for labor and equipment. I keep it simple so I never have to worry about misquoting. I cover this to my customers by saying something like this. "We keep our pencil as sharp as it can be, so we can stay in business. If you want me to be here to service you when you need me, I must make a profit. " No one has ever balked at the above statement. I have used it probably a hundred times. I don't know where you live, but this small town, 1.5 Million strong, word gets out about who takes care of business and who does not. Unfortunately, most small businesses can not resist the lowest price, however they always seem to have enough to do the job twice. I come in, fix the problem and end up being the knight in shinning armor. Now here is my reason for doing a great job, do what ever it takes to make your customer happy. Spend your time, change your style when the customer does not get it, go back to basics. Be patient and you will be rewarded. How many of you have slowed down since September 11th? Not me, we have not had a chance to breathe, and last week I sold 6 systems, installed 2, the remainder will be installed in the next 3 weeks, 4 of the 6 system have VM. Our company consists of 2- Certified Techs, 1-cable puller, terminator and general helper, 1- Office Manager and 1 part time person to run errands. We do not have a salesman or saleswoman. I continually ask a prospective customer, if they want a list of happy clients, I do not carry a list, I never send them one. I write down the names in front of them and invite them to call. I never worry about it, because everyone get my best price and treatment. rd ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Sat Oct 20 05:34:08 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15uvKJ-0001Aa-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Sat, 20 Oct 2001 05:34:07 -0700 To: swdlh@yahoo.com Cc: kxt@kxthelp.com Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 08:29:42 -0400 Subject: Re: KX-T: making lemon-aide Message-ID: <20011020.084103.-913605.3.dr.dongle@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-45,47-50 From: Chris L Snyder Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk This very much like a "subcontractor" situation which I do a lot of and I LOVE it. Mucho bucks and very little in the way of responsablity for the product. Also you only have to stock a limited amount of materals, wire, jacks, blocks etc. On Fri, 19 Oct 2001 20:07:48 -0700 (PDT) larry writes: > I hope this doesn't start the long, nasty threads that > the subject seems to start. I'm looking for > constructive ideas. > > We have been approached about installing systems > bought over the internet. From a buyer, not the > internet seller! Have you developed dual rate cards? > We're not going to install these systems for the > preferred rates we give customers where we do the > total sale. And all the free follow-up we provide. > > I can see advantages, we don't carry tens of thousands > in receivables! And we could charge for all the time > we spend with this customer, even for telling him what > to buy! And he gets to hassle with all equipment > failures. > > I see a reasonable return here. Have you found a good > way to make money from this business? What have I > missed? > > Thanks > > -larry > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. > http://personals.yahoo.com > > > ********************************************************* > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > ********************************************************* > All that is necessary for EVIL to triumph is for good people to do NOTHING! -Edmund Burke- Chris Snyder KD4 OGD Cosby, Tn. dr.dongle@juno.com Stop the madness...vote LIBERTARIAN ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Sat Oct 20 06:41:13 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15uwND-0001BR-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Sat, 20 Oct 2001 06:41:11 -0700 Message-ID: <000e01c1596c$d4093dc0$85d13ccc@a.schultz> From: "Schultz Comm" To: "larry" , References: <20011020030748.42842.qmail@web12005.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: KX-T: Re: making lemon-aide Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 09:40:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Larry & all, I have done a few of these installs....and most of your "plusses" are valid EXCEPT the part about the customer being stuck with equipment failure issues. In reality, once you touch it, you marry that customer forever...and you WILL get the call when lightning hits, and they WILL expect you to provide a loaner KSU when theirs is at Panasonic repair! I have a hard time saying NO to anyone, but I've found that many times dealing with customer provided equipment is more trouble than it's worth. Also, if you don't provide them with all the bells and whistles that we do for our "regular" customers ie: custom label sets, highly customized programming, and lots of hand holding......when they are asked "how do you like your phone system, and who installed it"...your referral is probably not going to be as stellar as those from your other customers. The end user surely won't mention he tried to save a couple of bucks. Just one guys' opinion..........not everybody (hardly anybody) who sells equipment on line does as good a job of support as M. Marcus and AbleComm........Most of these internet guys leave their customers flappin' in the breeze as soon as the equipment is out the door ....then it becomes the installer's headache. Best, Jim Schultz Communications ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry" To: Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 11:07 PM Subject: KX-T: making lemon-aide > I hope this doesn't start the long, nasty threads that > the subject seems to start. I'm looking for > constructive ideas. > > We have been approached about installing systems > bought over the internet. From a buyer, not the > internet seller! Have you developed dual rate cards? > We're not going to install these systems for the > preferred rates we give customers where we do the > total sale. And all the free follow-up we provide. > > I can see advantages, we don't carry tens of thousands > in receivables! And we could charge for all the time > we spend with this customer, even for telling him what > to buy! And he gets to hassle with all equipment > failures. > > I see a reasonable return here. Have you found a good > way to make money from this business? What have I > missed? > > Thanks > > -larry > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. > http://personals.yahoo.com > > > ********************************************************* > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > ********************************************************* > ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Sat Oct 20 06:56:11 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15uwbg-0001Bt-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Sat, 20 Oct 2001 06:56:08 -0700 X-BlackMail: 216.187.1.178, mmarcus, , 216.187.1.178 X-Authenticated-Timestamp: 09:52:16(EDT) on October 20, 2001 Message-ID: <013501c1596f$49855000$c101bbd8@cyburban.com> From: "Michael N. Marcus" To: "Randy Dell" Cc: References: <001101c1595e$03a61b20$0200a8c0@u9h9i3> Subject: Re: KX-T: RE: Making lemmon-aide Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 09:47:07 -0400 Organization: AbleComm, Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Randy, you're doing it the right way! Don't be afraid to make a profit. Competing on price alone is ultimately suicidal. I tell people it's no good for our families or our customers if we can't afford to stay in business. We frequently get calls from people who want us to _match_ (not beat) other dealers' pricing. I act confused and surprised and say something like "if you have already found a lower price, why do you want to buy it from us?" The caller then goes on to explain all the reasons he'd rather buy from us, and at least half the time he convinces himself to pay the few bucks extra. People are funny. Michael N. Marcus AbleComm, Inc. www.ablecomm.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Randy Dell To: Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 7:54 AM Subject: KX-T: RE: Making lemmon-aide > There are several Digital dealers where I work and live. Most do not do a > good job. I usually end up with their customer eventually anyway. I would > guess that about 50 -60% of the some 800 systems we care for, we did not > install. We just get and keep them with good service. Lately we have been > seeing more and more internet equipment coming to town. > > I look at every system, customer, as a source for continued income. This > includes internet acquired equipment. I want about an hour or two from each > customer per year. We do not get that from every customer and we get much > more than that from most. Two of my largest consumers of labor, are systems > I did not install. > > When a system comes to me, I always clean up the install, do everything the > customer wants including the training they did not get from the original > seller/installer, often I even have to supply the User Manual again. I > charge for my time. We do not have dual pricing. Everyone gets the same > price, for labor and equipment. I keep it simple so I never have to worry > about misquoting. I cover this to my customers by saying something like > this. > > "We keep our pencil as sharp as it can be, so we can stay in business. If > you want me to be here to service you when you need me, I must make a > profit. " > > No one has ever balked at the above statement. I have used it probably a > hundred times. > > I don't know where you live, but this small town, 1.5 Million strong, word > gets out about who takes care of business and who does not. Unfortunately, > most small businesses can not resist the lowest price, however they always > seem to have enough to do the job twice. I come in, fix the problem and end > up being the knight in shinning armor. > > Now here is my reason for doing a great job, do what ever it takes to make > your customer happy. Spend your time, change your style when the customer > does not get it, go back to basics. Be patient and you will be rewarded. > > How many of you have slowed down since September 11th? > > Not me, we have not had a chance to breathe, and last week I sold 6 systems, > installed 2, the remainder will be installed in the next 3 weeks, 4 of the 6 > system have VM. > > Our company consists of 2- Certified Techs, 1-cable puller, terminator and > general helper, 1- Office Manager and 1 part time person to run errands. We > do not have a salesman or saleswoman. > > I continually ask a prospective customer, if they want a list of happy > clients, I do not carry a list, I never send them one. I write down the > names in front of them and invite them to call. I never worry about it, > because everyone get my best price and treatment. > > > rd > > > > > ********************************************************* > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > ********************************************************* > ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Sat Oct 20 06:56:11 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15uwbg-0001Bs-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Sat, 20 Oct 2001 06:56:08 -0700 X-BlackMail: 216.187.1.178, mmarcus, , 216.187.1.178 X-Authenticated-Timestamp: 09:52:12(EDT) on October 20, 2001 Message-ID: <013401c1596f$472a9720$c101bbd8@cyburban.com> From: "Michael N. Marcus" To: "larry" Cc: References: <20011020030748.42842.qmail@web12005.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: KX-T: making lemon-aide Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 09:35:03 -0400 Organization: AbleComm, Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Hi, Larry... I've been on both sides of this situation, so that entitles me to throw in four cents worth: (1&2) As a Web-based dealer, we get requests (from our own customers and from strangers) to recommend a local installer. We have our own list of installers who have asked us for referrals; but if we don't have anyone in the right area, we'll check the Panasonic list, and make some phone calls to our distribs, or to a Pana regional sales manager. Sometimes we can make a strong recommendation. Sometimes we don't know anything about the installer, and we just provide names and numbers. We don't want any money for the referral and don't get involved in the transaction. Sometimes we are asked what a "fair" price would be, or if the proposed price is OK. But since we don't know the local market, or the jobsite conditions, we try to avoid getting involved in the specifics, unless a proposed price seems unusually high or low. We recognize that we may lose some customers to the installers we recommend, but we can live with that. All we ask is that any installer we recommend treats the customer right. (3&4) As an installing company, it's not unusual to get a call from someone who bought a system from another local dealer and is unhappy with the service, or from someone who just moved into a house or office and found a Pana system, or someone who inherited a system from grampa, or found a bargain on ebay, etc., and needs our help. In cases like this, if we have the time and the job doesn't seem like a suicide mission, we'll certainly do it. We're helping someone who needs help, and we have a chance for future business and referrals. If other local dealers have turned down the job, and the customer seems really desperate, this is a good opportunity to be a hero and get paid for it. In short, Larry...TAKE THE MONEY. It's pointless to moan about sales that are already lost. It's better to make 100% of 25% than 100% of nothing... and you have no liability for the equipment you didn't provide, and there is a potential for future business. When the economy is bad and you're selling one system a month instead of a few each week, you'll have to pay salaries and rent from moves, adds and changes -- so the bigger your customer base is, the better your chances of survival. Sell your services. Impress the folks with your knowledge, promptness, clean truck and clean hands. Offer some secret tips that the other vendors may not have pointed out (like dialing 330 for all-page) or do some cool programming (like setting up automatic time correction from Caller ID). Installers have much more to fear from products like the KX-TGA420 than they do from web-based dealers. As I've been preaching to this group for a long time: If you want to be in this business 10 or 20 years from now, you have to find a way to make money by selling knowledge and experience and expertise and hand-holding and problem-solving, not by delivering boxes of phones or poking holes in walls. Michael N. Marcus AbleComm, Inc. www.ablecomm.com now in our 25th year selling phone systems ----- Original Message ----- From: larry To: Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 11:07 PM Subject: KX-T: making lemon-aide > I hope this doesn't start the long, nasty threads that > the subject seems to start. I'm looking for > constructive ideas. > > We have been approached about installing systems > bought over the internet. From a buyer, not the > internet seller! Have you developed dual rate cards? > We're not going to install these systems for the > preferred rates we give customers where we do the > total sale. And all the free follow-up we provide. > > I can see advantages, we don't carry tens of thousands > in receivables! And we could charge for all the time > we spend with this customer, even for telling him what > to buy! And he gets to hassle with all equipment > failures. > > I see a reasonable return here. Have you found a good > way to make money from this business? What have I > missed? > > Thanks > > -larry > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. > http://personals.yahoo.com > > > ********************************************************* > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > ********************************************************* > ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Sat Oct 20 07:09:50 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15uwou-0001Co-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Sat, 20 Oct 2001 07:09:48 -0700 Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 10:06:23 -0400 From: JimMarks Subject: KX-T: making lemon-aide into a good install To: larry , kxt@kxthelp.com Message-id: <002c01c15970$66ccedc0$b554be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20011020030748.42842.qmail@web12005.mail.yahoo.com> Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk 1) We will never initially install anyone elses sale.( at that point they are still looking for the cheapest ) 2) We do assume any system at normal rates if it is up and barely running.( They suffered enough & are ready to pay for it right ) 3) We accept more systems that are mishandled by local dealers, electricians, & others than the internet DIYs. 4) We have not slowed down at all since the tragety. Just 2 Cents...................Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry" To: Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 11:07 PM Subject: KX-T: making lemon-aide ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Sat Oct 20 07:20:27 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15uwzB-0001DB-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Sat, 20 Oct 2001 07:20:25 -0700 X-BlackMail: 216.187.1.178, mmarcus, , 216.187.1.178 X-Authenticated-Timestamp: 10:16:43(EDT) on October 20, 2001 Message-ID: <013d01c15972$b3e41e60$c101bbd8@cyburban.com> From: "Michael N. Marcus" To: "Pat Thornton" Cc: References: <3.0.32.20011020004354.00a6d4e0@pop.sonic.net> Subject: Re: KX-T: making lemon-aide Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 10:22:37 -0400 Organization: AbleComm, Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk > And maybe most importantly, you are giving up the referral value of that > customer. Wouldn't you rather have them tell their friends what good > service you gave them But, Pat, that still applies when you service a system you did not sell... whether the products came from the web, or fell off a truck, or were installed in a house for the previous owner, or were installed by a local competitor who went under, or were purchased wholesale thru a friend who works at a distrib. _Any_ interaction with a prospective customer is a chance to make someone happy, and make money, and win someone away from a competitor. My father had a chain of clothing stores in shopping malls. Most of the other stores in the malls claimed that the "rest rooms" were for employees only or customers only. In my father's stores, anyone who needed to use the john, was welcomed and escorted. You'd be surprised how many people who only intended to take a leak bought something on the way out, and came back for more, and told their friends how well they were treated. ------------------- OTOH, I was once in a SPRINT cellphone store to have my phone upgraded. I was told it would take a few minutes, but the tech was still working on it over a half an hour later. I asked if I could use the john, and was told it is against company policy for customers to use the john. I asked for the manager, and got the same story. I told her that unles she was prepared to have me arrested for trespassing, or wanted me to pee on the carpeting, she better let me use the john. She temporarily suspended company policy, but I switched to Cingular Wireless. Michael N. Marcus AbleComm, Inc. www.ablecomm.com ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Sat Oct 20 07:25:03 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15ux3d-0001DU-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Sat, 20 Oct 2001 07:25:01 -0700 X-BlackMail: 216.187.1.178, mmarcus, , 216.187.1.178 X-Authenticated-Timestamp: 10:21:23(EDT) on October 20, 2001 Message-ID: <014901c15973$5a77db40$c101bbd8@cyburban.com> From: "Michael N. Marcus" To: "Schultz Comm" Cc: References: <20011020030748.42842.qmail@web12005.mail.yahoo.com> <000e01c1596c$d4093dc0$85d13ccc@a.schultz> Subject: Re: KX-T: Re: making lemon-aide Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 10:27:00 -0400 Organization: AbleComm, Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk > not everybody (hardly anybody) who sells equipment on line does as good a job of support as M. Marcus and AbleComm Thanks, Sarge. You're making be blush. /mnm ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Sat Oct 20 08:21:42 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15uxwS-0001EE-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Sat, 20 Oct 2001 08:21:40 -0700 From: rodtech@att.net To: Mack Cc: kxt@kxthelp.com Subject: Re: KX-T: TVS Integration. Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 15:20:59 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 15 2001) Message-Id: <20011020152100.DGUT4964.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk if you have the tvs answering on an intercept and not acting as an auto attendant, some earlier versions will send callers to mbx 101. the "fix" is to delete mbx 101 the tvs will, at that point have to send call to top menu. The reason it now is sending calls to mbx 101 is because the lowest ringing ext (101)is the "owner" of the call, if ext 101 has no mbx the only place left to go is to the top menu, or you could upgrade the unit. > Have a KX-TD1232-1 that is Integrated to a KX-TVS100. Have defaulted both units > twice and re-integrated twice. Trouble is that when TVS answers incoming calls > the voice mail says you have reached mail box 101. 4 ports are set to use > Customer Greating 1 and Custom screen 1 both have recorded messages to use on > anser. I think I have a bad TVS unit. Both units are used. Does anyone have > an answer of remedy? > > > > ********************************************************* > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > ********************************************************* ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Sat Oct 20 20:34:55 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15v9O1-0001K2-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Sat, 20 Oct 2001 20:34:53 -0700 Message-ID: <00c601c159e1$770deec0$0300a8c0@verizon.net> From: "Charles Patterson" To: References: <20011020030748.42842.qmail@web12005.mail.yahoo.com> <002c01c15970$66ccedc0$b554be18@oemcomputer> Subject: KX-T: installers - dittos and caution Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 23:35:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Previous comments are fairly accurate. When I arrive on the disaster scene (previous install) I have to lay out a few ground rules with the customer. For instance: I am not responsible for any existing wiring, so they will be charged for any repairs that may be needed to that wiring, and also if the wiring is really a mess (most of you know the type), I make it clear that it is very easy for something to go wrong such as just by touching a loose wire- so the customer also must be responsible for any of those repairs too. cute story: I had told a customer just that. Their demarc was a complete mess. I had to leave that job to tend to another customer emergency for about an hour. During that hour I got a frantic call from them, stating that a neighboring office had their main line go dead and the "guy is furious"!!! I was already on my way back so I called and told them to hang on. Got there, put the other guy's line back on right away (easy to find the problem at the demarc). He was a very nice person and since he was expanding his office in a week he proceeded to hire me to rewire his office and he wants a KXTD1232 installed. CAUTION: I mentioned this before. If any of you guys get a call from an Internet seller to install systems for them- DON'T do it as a SUB to them. Only as yourself. If represent them and they treat the customer badly or worse, disappear with your money, it can make you very unhappy. What my customers want most: Honesty, good work (and support), fairness in pricing. charles > 1) We will never initially install anyone elses sale.( at that point they > are still looking for the cheapest ) > 2) We do assume any system at normal rates if it is up and barely > running.( They suffered enough & are ready to pay for it right ) > 3) We accept more systems that are mishandled by local dealers, > electricians, & others than the internet DIYs. > 4) We have not slowed down at all since the tragety. > Just 2 Cents...................Jim > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "larry" > To: > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 11:07 PM > Subject: KX-T: making lemon-aide > > > > ********************************************************* > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > ********************************************************* > ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Sun Oct 21 09:38:39 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15vLcU-0001Ve-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Sun, 21 Oct 2001 09:38:38 -0700 From: "Kim Knapp" To: "KXT" Subject: RE: KX-T: making lemon-aide Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 10:33:52 -0600 Message-ID: <000101c15a4e$2b5193c0$6500a8c0@vail.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20011020030748.42842.qmail@web12005.mail.yahoo.com> Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Here is input from a buyer. My background is: I have installed three systems, one in our vacation home in FL and two here in the Vail valley where I am building my new home. I enjoy installing my own system and, by the time I am done, I know more about how my home PBX system works than any of my friends and neighbors. I am also installing my own Lutron system thanks to the local Lutron dealer. I would say that if you are approached by a buyer of a Panasonic system that wants you to install his system, then you should charge him your normal rate PLUS your normal markup for the system, so that he ends up spending the same amount as he would if he bought the equipment from you. And I would tell him up front that you will charge him a rental fee for any loaner equipment if he (or you) have to send any equipment in for repair). If you are approached by someone who already has an installed system, I believe that you should charge him your normal rate and include all the hours you will need to bring yourself up to date on his(her) system, including cleaning up a messy install. I appreciate the ability to buy my own system and install it myself, but I understand that the local dealer can't help me get it running or trouble shoot it without me paying for his time. By the way, ONE of the reasons I like to install my own system, as I stated above, is so that I fully understand how the system works in my home. How many of you have visited a home and have the owner say "don't touch that lighting keypad, because I am not sure what it does." I have - many times. And all these systems were installed by local dealers who have trained the owner. When I get done, not only will my family and I understand what all the switches do (or, in the case of the PBX, how to transfer a call, set up voice mailboxes, etc), but I will be able to customize these systems to exactly meet my needs. Just remember, there are a lot of baby boomers out there starting to retire who are looking for new hobbies and one great hobby, which gives the person a lot of pride when they are done, is DIYing. Why not help them out as long as you can make money doing it? Just my 2 cents worth. Kim > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kxt@nccom.com [mailto:owner-kxt@nccom.com]On Behalf Of larry > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 9:08 PM > To: kxt@kxthelp.com > Subject: KX-T: making lemon-aide > > > I hope this doesn't start the long, nasty threads that > the subject seems to start. I'm looking for > constructive ideas. > > We have been approached about installing systems > bought over the internet. From a buyer, not the > internet seller! Have you developed dual rate cards? > We're not going to install these systems for the > preferred rates we give customers where we do the > total sale. And all the free follow-up we provide. > > I can see advantages, we don't carry tens of thousands > in receivables! And we could charge for all the time > we spend with this customer, even for telling him what > to buy! And he gets to hassle with all equipment > failures. > > I see a reasonable return here. Have you found a good > way to make money from this business? What have I > missed? > > Thanks > > -larry > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. > http://personals.yahoo.com > > > ********************************************************* > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > ********************************************************* > ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Sun Oct 21 10:07:48 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15vM4g-0001WI-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Sun, 21 Oct 2001 10:07:46 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20011021130658.009f3748@wcnet.org> X-Sender: cnavarro@wcnet.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 13:06:58 -0400 To: kxt@kxthelp.com From: Carl Navarro Subject: RE: KX-T: making lemon-aide In-Reply-To: <000101c15a4e$2b5193c0$6500a8c0@vail.net> References: <20011020030748.42842.qmail@web12005.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk At 10:33 AM 10/21/2001 -0600, Kim Knapp wrote: > I would say that if you are approached by a buyer of a Panasonic system >that wants you to install his system, then you should charge him your normal >rate PLUS your normal markup for the system, so that he ends up spending the >same amount as he would if he bought the equipment from you. And I would >tell him up front that you will charge him a rental fee for any loaner >equipment if he (or you) have to send any equipment in for repair). My problem is not with installing or repairing other's equipment. My installations are pretty much cookie cutter jobs and if I move or clean up a system, I will make or try to make the system look like all the rest. My ex-father-in-law used to say, "get a firm hold on the cash" when dealing with a questionable person, and I like to treat questionable accounts the same way. If I do a move or repair for any customer that I don't know, I require 50% or more deposit in advance of doing any work. It's very difficult to retain ownership of labor :-). A couple of examples: Back in the 70's I went to a motel about 120 miles away to repair a Mitel PBX. The software had failed and I dutifully replaced it with my loaner. They didn't pay and my attorney said I couldn't do "frontier justice" by pulling the card and replacing it with their old one. So I had to buy a lesser generic and replace it to keep it working. They have owed me $1000 ever since and I am about 52nd on the baknruptcy list. But the owner got to keep his plane. The other example was the "fitness center" guy who I didn't like in the first place. "I'll get you a deposit check tomorrow when the bookkeeper comes in." Yeah, I should have said I would start the job when the cash is in my account, but I was in a hurry. Since it was a labor only job with about $60 worth of materials, I was left holding the bag and the bank backed a truck in and took posession of all the physical assets. The point is, I will be happy to work on any installed system. How will you be paying for this? Carl "show me the money" Navarro ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Sun Oct 21 13:42:41 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15vPQd-0001YH-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Sun, 21 Oct 2001 13:42:39 -0700 From: "Jacques Leisy" To: "Kim Knapp" , "KXT" Subject: RE: KX-T: making lemon-aide Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 16:44:05 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000101c15a4e$2b5193c0$6500a8c0@vail.net> X-AntiVirus: OK (checked by AntiVir Version 6.9.0.26) Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Kim, You wrote "Why not help them out as long as you can make money doing it?" All the dealers on this list are doing exactly that. And most of the time they don't even make money doing it! I installed my own system at home and I am very happy with it,but I was on a sabbatical... I spent many hours pulling the wire and programming the system, but I enjoyed it. This mailing list was a life safer. I also tried to help a small business start-up... what a mistake! Never ever will I do that. If I ever call for help, I'd expect the dealer to charge me his full regular rate, and charge me for the time needed to understand the mess I made (my install is "kind-of" clean). JL -----Original Message----- From: owner-kxt@nccom.com [mailto:owner-kxt@nccom.com]On Behalf Of Kim Knapp Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 12:34 PM To: KXT Subject: RE: KX-T: making lemon-aide Here is input from a buyer. My background is: I have installed three systems, one in our vacation home in FL and two here in the Vail valley where I am building my new home. I enjoy installing my own system and, by the time I am done, I know more about how my home PBX system works than any of my friends and neighbors. I am also installing my own Lutron system thanks to the local Lutron dealer. I would say that if you are approached by a buyer of a Panasonic system that wants you to install his system, then you should charge him your normal rate PLUS your normal markup for the system, so that he ends up spending the same amount as he would if he bought the equipment from you. And I would tell him up front that you will charge him a rental fee for any loaner equipment if he (or you) have to send any equipment in for repair). If you are approached by someone who already has an installed system, I believe that you should charge him your normal rate and include all the hours you will need to bring yourself up to date on his(her) system, including cleaning up a messy install. I appreciate the ability to buy my own system and install it myself, but I understand that the local dealer can't help me get it running or trouble shoot it without me paying for his time. By the way, ONE of the reasons I like to install my own system, as I stated above, is so that I fully understand how the system works in my home. How many of you have visited a home and have the owner say "don't touch that lighting keypad, because I am not sure what it does." I have - many times. And all these systems were installed by local dealers who have trained the owner. When I get done, not only will my family and I understand what all the switches do (or, in the case of the PBX, how to transfer a call, set up voice mailboxes, etc), but I will be able to customize these systems to exactly meet my needs. Just remember, there are a lot of baby boomers out there starting to retire who are looking for new hobbies and one great hobby, which gives the person a lot of pride when they are done, is DIYing. Why not help them out as long as you can make money doing it? Just my 2 cents worth. Kim > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kxt@nccom.com [mailto:owner-kxt@nccom.com]On Behalf Of larry > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 9:08 PM > To: kxt@kxthelp.com > Subject: KX-T: making lemon-aide > > > I hope this doesn't start the long, nasty threads that > the subject seems to start. I'm looking for > constructive ideas. > > We have been approached about installing systems > bought over the internet. From a buyer, not the > internet seller! Have you developed dual rate cards? > We're not going to install these systems for the > preferred rates we give customers where we do the > total sale. And all the free follow-up we provide. > > I can see advantages, we don't carry tens of thousands > in receivables! And we could charge for all the time > we spend with this customer, even for telling him what > to buy! And he gets to hassle with all equipment > failures. > > I see a reasonable return here. Have you found a good > way to make money from this business? What have I > missed? > > Thanks > > -larry > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. > http://personals.yahoo.com > > > ********************************************************* > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > ********************************************************* > ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Sun Oct 21 17:52:23 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15vTKI-0001ac-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Sun, 21 Oct 2001 17:52:22 -0700 Message-ID: <011f01c15a6d$b9309af0$3c00a8c0@PICARD> Reply-To: "Reddy Biggs" From: "Reddy Biggs" To: "KXT Help" References: <20011020030748.42842.qmail@web12005.mail.yahoo.com> <3.0.6.32.20011021130658.009f3748@wcnet.org> Subject: Re: KX-T: making lemon-aide Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 15:19:43 -0500 Organization: Archer & Biggs, Inc. Resent-From: jimmy@nccom.com Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 17:52:19 -0700 Resent-To: kxt@nccom.com Resent-Message-Id: Sender: owner-kxt Precedence: bulk Carl, Which of those 2 were the home DIY-ers buying off the net? BTW, every business has a story like that. Ask my wife about the surgery = she did on a lady, and when the insurance check arrives at the ladies = house, she went to Disney World. =20 Literally. Why do you expect the telephone industry to be different ? =20 Both of your examples appear to be places where *somebody else* did the = install. A professional *somebody else*, selling their equipment at full = price. =20 Did you inquire why that *somebody else* wasn't doing the service that = time ? Perhaps for nonpayment, per chance ? IMHO, somebody looking to save bucks buying on the internet is a lower = risk than somebody who obviously doesn't care about their finances. = Lower than somebody who calls you to fix an old system when they already = had a local business relationship with *somebody else*. BTW, ever hear of Equifax ? Not very expensive, and I'll bet their rap = sheet had more entries than Carter has little pills. If you get a = deadbeat, report them. It's amazing how people want to pay you a year or = two later to get the listing off their report. Thanks, Reddy ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Sun Oct 21 20:48:45 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15vW4x-0001cN-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Sun, 21 Oct 2001 20:48:43 -0700 From: Richard McCoy Subject: KX-T: KXTD1232 and KX-T7020 To: kxt@kxthelp.com Message-Id: Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 20:48:40 -0700 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk I have several KX-T7020's phones hooked up to my new KXTD1232, is there anyway to program the one touch buttons on the 7020's for specific phone numbers? I was able to do it when these phones were hooked up to a 616, but I can't fiqure if can do it when they are connected to a KXTD1232. ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Mon Oct 22 03:48:03 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15vccj-0001gc-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 03:48:01 -0700 From: Birton Mihaly Subject: KX-T: KX-T30810, 61610, 123210, 123211 codes To: kxt@kxthelp.com Message-Id: Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 03:47:58 -0700 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk I am looking for the description of some special programming codes not listed in the PBX manuals. Eg. PRG No. 50, 51, ...57 for KX-T30810v3 and 61610v3, or 92,93,...98 for 123210v3. By the way, the new Panasonic PBX's have some hidden programs? TA308? TA616?. In the TD1232? All the best B.M. ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Mon Oct 22 05:13:23 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15vdxJ-0001lD-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 05:13:21 -0700 X-BlackMail: 216.187.1.175, mmarcus, , 216.187.1.175 X-Authenticated-Timestamp: 08:09:29(EDT) on October 22, 2001 Message-ID: <005b01c15af3$4e009ba0$af01bbd8@cyburban.com> From: "Michael N. Marcus" To: "Richard McCoy" Cc: References: Subject: Re: KX-T: KXTD1232 and KX-T7020 Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 08:10:14 -0400 Organization: AbleComm, Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk It's similar to what you've done in the past, but instead of flipping the program switch in the back of the phone, press PAUSE then 99 to enter programming. Digital phones have a PROGRAM button. Just remember that Pause and Program both start with "P." Michael N. Marcus AbleComm, Inc. www.ablecomm,com etc. ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard McCoy To: Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 11:48 PM Subject: KX-T: KXTD1232 and KX-T7020 > I have several KX-T7020's phones hooked up to my new KXTD1232, is there anyway to program the one touch buttons on the 7020's for specific phone numbers? I was able to do it when these phones were hooked up to a 616, but I can't fiqure if can do it when they are connected to a KXTD1232. > > > > > > ********************************************************* > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > ********************************************************* > ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Mon Oct 22 06:53:46 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15vfWS-0001m6-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 06:53:44 -0700 From: ILML@aol.com Message-ID: <11.1c75aa98.29057e7b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 09:51:55 EDT Subject: KX-T: 624 weirdness To: kxt@kxthelp.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Hi all Anyone run into this before ? Installed a 624 a few months ago. Combination of PT and SLT phones. TVS50 also. System was fine for 2 months then customer called and said that all the phones went blank for a minute and then when they came back on, any extension with an SLT phone did not function properly. The SLT phone extensions could make calls, but if anyone dialed their extension, it would ring for a fraction of a second and they could not connect to whoever called. I did a complete system dump ( 999 ) and then reprogrammed and all was fine. Another 6 weeks has passed and the exact thing has happened again. The system reset ( 999 ) fixed it again but I am wondering if there is a simpler fix than resetting everything or maybe I just have a bad unit. Again - the problem only affects SLT's. System phones work fine. Any thoughts would be apperciated. Phil ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Mon Oct 22 10:19:11 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15vijF-0001oV-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 10:19:09 -0700 Reply-To: From: "David Toppin" To: "Pat Thornton" Cc: "KXT Help" Subject: RE: KX-T: making lemon-aide Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 10:02:46 -0400 Message-ID: In-reply-to: <3.0.32.20011020004354.00a6d4e0@pop.sonic.net> Resent-From: jimmy@nccom.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 10:19:06 -0700 Resent-To: kxt@nccom.com Resent-Message-Id: Sender: owner-kxt Precedence: bulk From a buyers perspective, you could get your price in line with the ablecomm's and the www.kx-td.com prices. My local Panasonic dealer wanted about 35% more than what I could buy it from Michael for. They also wanted 800 to install, and I had already run all the wire. So it was basically hang, punch, & program. I ended up doing it all myself as I thought $200 per hour was unreasonable. I ended up buying the system on ebay and some stuff from Michael who was very helpful. I realize most won't go throught the learning curve I had to, but I'm glad I did. I can change stuff I need to as the issues arise, etc. This list was very helpful, and I made some great contacts who in the future I would use as I would RATHER NOT do it myself. Those of you who take advantages of internet sales, and hook up with the people who are selling them, could probably make a pretty good living as I'm sure it's a big market. Some jobs pay better than others in ALL work, sometimes you don't make as much as you'd like, but I've found sometimes you need to take the work that is in front of you. You may also want to take into consideration that if you are referred as an installer from an internet site, you are spending no dollars to get the business. David Toppin The Pelletizer Group, Inc. 483 Phinneys Lane Centerville, MA 02632 (508) 790 4245 (508) 775 9917 fax dave@pelletizer.com www.pelletizer.com <---- see our complete, searchable inventory Please inform us of any surplus equipment you may have available. ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Mon Oct 22 11:46:36 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15vk5q-0001pL-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 11:46:34 -0700 From: Rick McCoy Subject: KX-T: Lines turned off but ext still rings. To: kxt@kxthelp.com Message-Id: Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 11:46:31 -0700 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk I have several KXT-7020 phones connected to my Kxtd-1232 PBX, I have 4 of my 5 lines turned off on ext 107 via Programmtor and that ext can't access the lines, but the phone still rings on all calls and if the user press the line and trys to answer the caller is disconnect. I'd like it to only ring for calls on its single line. Any ideas? ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Mon Oct 22 15:14:41 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15vnLD-0001rK-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 15:14:39 -0700 Message-ID: <001201c15b46$e414eee0$efe4fc40@a.schultz> From: "Schultz Comm" To: , "Pat Thornton" Cc: "KXT Help" References: Subject: Re: KX-T: making lemon-aide Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 18:14:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Dave and all, Please excuse this rambling, but I *HAVE* to have my say......... I could probably make a pretty good buck doing minor surgery.........there's not much to it, my overhead would be NOTHING compared to MD's, no insurance, no office, no help, etc. The licensing people might be a bit pissed but who cares?? Now I'm not ACTUALLY comparing myself to a medical doctor, BUT I did have to spend 8,000 hours as an apprentice/journeyman to satisfy my states licensing requirement.... even though I was an industrial arts major in college, did bench repair for Radio Shack for several years, and had over 10 years experience as a federally licensed broadcast engineer... for the "privilege" of installing phone equipment. I can also probably fix or diagnose a phone system problem in short order....'ya pay for what we know sometimes...not the time spent actually at the customers premises............you don't even want to KNOW how much it actually costs to "roll a truck" compared to how much we charge for a service call (which includes 1 hour of on site labor...$75.00)...... If you can buy it cheaper...and install and maintain it ...God bless 'ya....We were talking about the folks who "shop" for it and then expect someone to install it for next to nothing. FYI...the big boys who move millions of dollars of product pay a bit less for it than a smaller interconnect company does.......I just can't compete wit K Mart as far as pricing........but I *CAN* blow them out of the water with service!!!!....and that costs $$$ Just one 20 year veteran interconnect's opinion. Best, Jim Schultz ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Toppin" To: "Pat Thornton" Cc: "KXT Help" Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 10:02 AM Subject: RE: KX-T: making lemon-aide > From a buyers perspective, you could get your price in line with the > ablecomm's and the www.kx-td.com prices. My local Panasonic dealer > wanted about 35% more than what I could buy it from Michael for. They > also wanted 800 to install, and I had already run all the wire. So it > was basically hang, punch, & program. I ended up doing it all myself > as I thought $200 per hour was unreasonable. I ended up buying the > system on ebay and some stuff from Michael who was very helpful. I > realize most won't go throught the learning curve I had to, but I'm > glad I did. I can change stuff I need to as the issues arise, etc. > This list was very helpful, and I made some great contacts who in the > future I would use as I would RATHER NOT do it myself. Those of you > who take advantages of internet sales, and hook up with the people who > are selling them, could probably make a pretty good living as I'm sure > it's a big market. Some jobs pay better than others in ALL work, > sometimes you don't make as much as you'd like, but I've found > sometimes you need to take the work that is in front of you. You may > also want to take into consideration that if you are referred as an > installer from an internet site, you are spending no dollars to get the > business. > > > > David Toppin > > The Pelletizer Group, Inc. > 483 Phinneys Lane > Centerville, MA 02632 > > (508) 790 4245 > (508) 775 9917 fax > > dave@pelletizer.com > www.pelletizer.com <---- see our complete, searchable inventory > > Please inform us of any surplus equipment you may have available. > > > > ********************************************************* > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > ********************************************************* > ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Mon Oct 22 15:51:11 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15vnuX-0001rm-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 15:51:09 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [216.178.8.78] From: "Shawn Grigsby" To: "KXT Help" References: <001201c15b46$e414eee0$efe4fc40@a.schultz> Subject: Re: KX-T: making lemon-aide Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 17:50:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Oct 2001 22:50:35.0559 (UTC) FILETIME=[F646BB70:01C15B4B] Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk I have to agree.. I have had people purchase stuff online for cheaper and then call me to install for them. Then they complain about the fee I charge for the install of the equipment that they bought. I do have to make a living too... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Schultz Comm" To: ; "Pat Thornton" Cc: "KXT Help" Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 5:14 PM Subject: Re: KX-T: making lemon-aide > Dave and all, > > Please excuse this rambling, but I *HAVE* to have my say......... > > I could probably make a pretty good buck doing minor surgery.........there's > not much to it, my overhead would be NOTHING compared to MD's, no insurance, > no office, no help, etc. The licensing people might be a bit pissed but who > cares?? > > Now I'm not ACTUALLY comparing myself to a medical doctor, BUT I did have to > spend 8,000 hours as an apprentice/journeyman to satisfy my states licensing > requirement.... even though I was an industrial arts major in college, did > bench repair for Radio Shack for several years, and had over 10 years > experience as a federally licensed broadcast engineer... for the "privilege" > of installing phone equipment. > > I can also probably fix or diagnose a phone system problem in short > order....'ya pay for what we know sometimes...not the time spent actually at > the customers premises............you don't even want to KNOW how much it > actually costs to "roll a truck" compared to how much we charge for a > service call (which includes 1 hour of on site labor...$75.00)...... > > If you can buy it cheaper...and install and maintain it ...God bless > 'ya....We were talking about the folks who "shop" for it and then expect > someone to install it for next to nothing. > > FYI...the big boys who move millions of dollars of product pay a bit less > for it than a smaller interconnect company does.......I just can't compete > wit K Mart as far as pricing........but I *CAN* blow them out of the water > with service!!!!....and that costs $$$ > > Just one 20 year veteran interconnect's opinion. > > Best, Jim Schultz > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Toppin" > To: "Pat Thornton" > Cc: "KXT Help" > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 10:02 AM > Subject: RE: KX-T: making lemon-aide > > > > From a buyers perspective, you could get your price in line with the > > ablecomm's and the www.kx-td.com prices. My local Panasonic dealer > > wanted about 35% more than what I could buy it from Michael for. They > > also wanted 800 to install, and I had already run all the wire. So it > > was basically hang, punch, & program. I ended up doing it all myself > > as I thought $200 per hour was unreasonable. I ended up buying the > > system on ebay and some stuff from Michael who was very helpful. I > > realize most won't go throught the learning curve I had to, but I'm > > glad I did. I can change stuff I need to as the issues arise, etc. > > This list was very helpful, and I made some great contacts who in the > > future I would use as I would RATHER NOT do it myself. Those of you > > who take advantages of internet sales, and hook up with the people who > > are selling them, could probably make a pretty good living as I'm sure > > it's a big market. Some jobs pay better than others in ALL work, > > sometimes you don't make as much as you'd like, but I've found > > sometimes you need to take the work that is in front of you. You may > > also want to take into consideration that if you are referred as an > > installer from an internet site, you are spending no dollars to get the > > business. > > > > > > > > David Toppin > > > > The Pelletizer Group, Inc. > > 483 Phinneys Lane > > Centerville, MA 02632 > > > > (508) 790 4245 > > (508) 775 9917 fax > > > > dave@pelletizer.com > > www.pelletizer.com <---- see our complete, searchable inventory > > > > Please inform us of any surplus equipment you may have available. > > > > > > > > ********************************************************* > > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > > ********************************************************* > > > > > > ********************************************************* > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > ********************************************************* > ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Mon Oct 22 16:26:19 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15voSX-0001sN-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 16:26:17 -0700 From: Ben Subject: KX-T: Caller ID To: kxt@kxthelp.com Message-Id: Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 16:26:14 -0700 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Got a problem, one extension suddenly stopped ringing and displaying the calls on its screen. However other than that the extension works fine. Any clues? Ben ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Mon Oct 22 16:34:02 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15voa0-0001sg-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 16:34:00 -0700 Message-ID: <001901c15b53$75072420$dbdfc6cf@budman.fcc.net> From: "JOEL WEISER" To: , Subject: Re: KX-T: 624 weirdness Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 19:43:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Phil, Sounds like you have an intermittent short on the data (yellow,black) pair of one of the stations. On the 624, a direct short on a data pair will cause the system to shut down - a momentary short can make the system reset and appear to shut down for a minute - a very slight short can cause problems only during "Higher Voltage" transmission ( ** such as the 60-95 volts sent to the slt for as ring generator **)- this causes the "Pre-Tripping" during the first ring - like your getting check for the following...ask about any other contractor type of work that was recently done at the site. - water leaks/damage, dirty jacks, water damage and corrosion at the jack. (splashing water into a jack next to a plant while watering the plant is very common in the residential install.)- carpet installers might sometimes partially cut into a wire with their razors. staples that go through the cable instead of around it during installation -etc... Your best way to attack this problem is if you can make the problem happen. ----at the ksu - disconnect all station plugs (make sure to label them first) and then call in from a cell phone or fax machine. while the caller is getting ringing, start plugging in the stations one at a time until the problem or cut off occurs. this will tell you which cable run is your problem. the problem/short could be in the cable, the jack or sometimes the actual phone. usually you will find a dirty or corroded jack or a bad modular crimp for this location. while troubleshooting the problem the first time, you might have played or jiggled the wires at the ksu - this might have temporarily fixed the problem dumping the data might not have been what fixed it . While touching and jiggling the wires or simply removing the cover to the 624, letting the cables move around slightly or stuffing them back down when replacing the cover, you might have de-aggravated the short if it was a bad modular crimp. ***when buying your modular plugs for crimping - keep in mind that there are two different types - 1 type for solid wire and another for stranded wire - using the wrong plug can cause bad connections and cause "WEIRD PROBLEMS"*** also make sure to always use a good crimp tool (this means spending more than $3.99 at Radio Shack) - also try to mount any surface-mounted jacks facing sideways or facing down, which usually helps to prevent dirt or water from getting into the jack. Good luck and let me know what you find - JOEL WEISER -----Original Message----- From: ILML@aol.com To: kxt@kxthelp.com Date: Monday, October 22, 2001 10:08 AM Subject: KX-T: 624 weirdness >Hi all > >Anyone run into this before ? Installed a 624 a few months ago. >Combination of PT and SLT phones. TVS50 also. System was fine for 2 months >then customer called and said that all the phones went blank for a minute and >then when they came back on, any extension with an SLT phone did not function >properly. The SLT phone extensions could make calls, but if anyone dialed >their extension, it would ring for a fraction of a second and they could not >connect to whoever called. > >I did a complete system dump ( 999 ) and then reprogrammed and all was fine. >Another 6 weeks has passed and the exact thing has happened again. > >The system reset ( 999 ) fixed it again but I am wondering if there is a >simpler fix than resetting everything or maybe I just have a bad unit. > >Again - the problem only affects SLT's. System phones work fine. > >Any thoughts would be apperciated. > >Phil > > > ********************************************************* > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > ********************************************************* > ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Mon Oct 22 17:08:32 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15vp7P-0001uh-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 17:08:31 -0700 Message-ID: <00c001c15b56$f1786980$0300a8c0@verizon.net> Reply-To: "Charles P" From: "Charles P" To: References: Subject: KX-T: Voicemail stopped talking! Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 20:09:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk I just put in a new TVS200 on a D1232 a few weeks ago. They called me today saying the voicemail stopped working. I had them check the lights and the vm light was still on steady, so DPITS is active. I couldn't get there today so I just called in and the voicemail seems to be functioning but there is no voice heard. After the irna 4 rings, it seemed to answer but there was no sound. I tried #6*998 but still no sound. I tried #8 101, then I heard music on hold as it apparently tried to transfer me. There is no answer so it goes to a vm box, still no sound, then the beep as it is ready to take a message. Any clue on this one? Bad ports? Charles ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Mon Oct 22 18:09:33 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15vq4R-0001vQ-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 18:09:31 -0700 Message-ID: <003701c15b60$09823200$dbdfc6cf@budman.fcc.net> From: "JOEL WEISER" To: , Subject: Re: KX-T: 624 weirdness Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 21:13:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Oops...looks like I didn't read the description of your problem well enough. The first response and troubleshooting steps that I wrote to your problem, would work if you were getting the "PRE-TRIPPING" on the incoming calls. In your case of getting "PRE-TRIPPING" on intercom calls to separate extensions...my theory of a slight short on a data pair might still apply here's what I might try next time it happens - disconnect all stations at the ksu except extension 101. (**ext 101 should be the only station plugged in at the ksu and make sure to disable "PARALLEL CONNECTION"at the phone for ext 101 and also remove the slt phone if one is connected to ext 101 during this test) - from 101 dial the ext number of the phone with the problem - if the problem occurs then yes, you most likely have a faulty 624 cabinet or expansion card. - if the "PRE-TRIPPING" does not happen, your problem is most likely being caused by something outside of the system, so you can then start plugging back in, one at a time, starting with the extension that you are calling for this test - then continue with the extensions that have SLT's, followed by the exts with a 7000 phone only - to see if one of them causes the SLT to "PRE-TRIP". if you do find that one station run is causing your problem to occur, then my first email response might help you with your problem. if you find that the problem is in the 624 cabinet - try initializing the system instead of using program 999 to dump the data (a "HARD" initialization of the system is better than dumping the data using program 999) - to init the system, shut off the power and move the clear switch to the clear position - turn on the power - in about 5-10 seconds, when the power LED begins to blink, with power still on, move the clear switch back to the hold position. thats it! - your phones should come up within 30-45 seconds after moving the switch back to the hold position. **it is not necessary to hit the reset switch during the initialization process** (the clear switch in the 624 is located on the main circuit board about 3-4 inches below the Power LED) Hope I got it rite this time!! good luck - JOEL WEISER -----Original Message----- From: ILML@aol.com To: kxt@kxthelp.com Date: Monday, October 22, 2001 10:08 AM Subject: KX-T: 624 weirdness >Hi all > >Anyone run into this before ? Installed a 624 a few months ago. >Combination of PT and SLT phones. TVS50 also. System was fine for 2 months >then customer called and said that all the phones went blank for a minute and >then when they came back on, any extension with an SLT phone did not function >properly. The SLT phone extensions could make calls, but if anyone dialed >their extension, it would ring for a fraction of a second and they could not >connect to whoever called. > >I did a complete system dump ( 999 ) and then reprogrammed and all was fine. >Another 6 weeks has passed and the exact thing has happened again. > >The system reset ( 999 ) fixed it again but I am wondering if there is a >simpler fix than resetting everything or maybe I just have a bad unit. > >Again - the problem only affects SLT's. System phones work fine. > >Any thoughts would be apperciated. > >Phil > > > ********************************************************* > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > ********************************************************* > ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Mon Oct 22 18:22:13 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15vqGh-0001vo-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 18:22:11 -0700 Message-ID: <005f01c15b62$a5cbbd00$dbdfc6cf@budman.fcc.net> From: "JOEL WEISER" To: "Charles P" , Subject: Re: KX-T: Voicemail stopped talking! Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 21:32:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Charles sounds like a bad 102 or 204 card - I might be mistaken but I think that most of the DSP circuitry which I believe is responsible for converting the data on the harddrive back into audio is located on these cards - the beep you hear to leave a message, I believe is generated with circuitry on the mother board and is not a data stream coming off of the harddrive which would have to be converted to an audio sound . this would explain why the beep is the only sound you hear. if you have more than one card - does it happen on all ports or is it mal-functioning on just one of the cards?? it does sound like all of the data is on the harddrive and that the harddrive is functioning correctly. good luck - Joel weiser -----Original Message----- From: Charles P To: kxt@kxthelp.com Date: Monday, October 22, 2001 8:23 PM Subject: KX-T: Voicemail stopped talking! >I just put in a new TVS200 on a D1232 a few weeks ago. >They called me today saying the voicemail stopped working. >I had them check the lights and the vm light was still on steady, so DPITS >is active. >I couldn't get there today so I just called in and the voicemail seems to be >functioning but there is no voice heard. >After the irna 4 rings, it seemed to answer but there was no sound. I tried >#6*998 but still no sound. I tried #8 101, then I heard music on hold as it >apparently tried to transfer me. There is no answer so it goes to a vm box, >still no sound, then the beep as it is ready to take a message. > >Any clue on this one? >Bad ports? > >Charles > > > > > > ********************************************************* > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > ********************************************************* > ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Mon Oct 22 19:57:58 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15vrlM-0001ws-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 19:57:56 -0700 X-BlackMail: 216.187.1.76, mmarcus, , 216.187.1.76 X-Authenticated-Timestamp: 22:53:49(EDT) on October 22, 2001 Message-ID: <00cf01c15b6e$d9e554a0$4c01bbd8@cyburban.com> From: "Michael N. Marcus" To: "Shawn Grigsby" Cc: References: <001201c15b46$e414eee0$efe4fc40@a.schultz> Subject: Re: KX-T: making lemon-aide Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 23:00:01 -0400 Organization: AbleComm, Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk ----- Original Message ----- From: Shawn Grigsby To: KXT Help Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 6:50 PM Subject: Re: KX-T: making lemon-aide > I have to agree.. I have had people purchase stuff online for cheaper and > then call me to install for them. Then they complain about the fee I charge > for the install of the equipment that they bought. I do have to make a > living too... Hi, Shawn... As long as you give people a "ballpark" price before you start the work, and tell them the type of things that could make the price higher than you expect, you have done the right thing and they have no legitimate reason to complain about your price. In the past, when I've had to estimate a job with a lot of "unknowns," I'd say something like: "If we can use all the wire the way it is, the total price will be about $600. If we have to repair any wiring, it will cost about $50 - $100 to repair each segment. If we have to install new wire, it will cost about $100 - $150 per segment. If we have to reprogram the system, it could cost another $50 - $100..." The more you can explain before you start the work, the easier it will be to collect when the work is finished. Put it all in writing, before you start. I learned this from a dentist, BTW. Here's something I learned from car repair places: Add $20 - $100 or more per job for all the small stuff, such as tie-wraps, staples, tape, screws, anchors, tags, D-rings, cross-connect wire, etc. that cost you money but don't normally show up on a list of materials. Our proposals included "miscellaneous small hardare," calculated at about $10 per wire segment, plus maybe $10 per system. Bigger stuff, including punchdown blocks and phone jacks, should be listed on the proposal and invoice. Keep a record of everything you use. It's easy to underbill by $50 - $200 per job. Multiply that by 50 - 150 systems a year, and you've lost money for a vacation, a car or college. Michael N. Marcus AbleComm, Inc. www.ablecomm.com etc. ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Tue Oct 23 01:51:09 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15vxHA-000203-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 01:51:08 -0700 Message-ID: <002701c15b9f$ec82b040$6501a8c0@monitor> From: "Harry from Select" To: "Schultz Comm" , , "Pat Thornton" Cc: "KXT Help" References: <001201c15b46$e414eee0$efe4fc40@a.schultz> Subject: Re: KX-T: making lemon-aide Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 04:51:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Well said.....well put ...I agree there is always someone trying to get it for free or doesn't have a clue of what it takes to maintain a crew ,or a fleet, nor do they care WHAT really burns me is the internet company that sells the product for less than 20 dollars over our cost, then has the balls to sell the product for the same price in the same state they are in and in the same town they are in. If you're a legitimate local interconnect provider and run into the same customer looking for product you're screwed to a certain extent.....you know what I mean ....Am I the only thinking wrong here? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Schultz Comm" To: ; "Pat Thornton" Cc: "KXT Help" Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 6:14 PM Subject: Re: KX-T: making lemon-aide > Dave and all, > > Please excuse this rambling, but I *HAVE* to have my say......... > > I could probably make a pretty good buck doing minor surgery.........there's > not much to it, my overhead would be NOTHING compared to MD's, no insurance, > no office, no help, etc. The licensing people might be a bit pissed but who > cares?? > > Now I'm not ACTUALLY comparing myself to a medical doctor, BUT I did have to > spend 8,000 hours as an apprentice/journeyman to satisfy my states licensing > requirement.... even though I was an industrial arts major in college, did > bench repair for Radio Shack for several years, and had over 10 years > experience as a federally licensed broadcast engineer... for the "privilege" > of installing phone equipment. > > I can also probably fix or diagnose a phone system problem in short > order....'ya pay for what we know sometimes...not the time spent actually at > the customers premises............you don't even want to KNOW how much it > actually costs to "roll a truck" compared to how much we charge for a > service call (which includes 1 hour of on site labor...$75.00)...... > > If you can buy it cheaper...and install and maintain it ...God bless > 'ya....We were talking about the folks who "shop" for it and then expect > someone to install it for next to nothing. > > FYI...the big boys who move millions of dollars of product pay a bit less > for it than a smaller interconnect company does.......I just can't compete > wit K Mart as far as pricing........but I *CAN* blow them out of the water > with service!!!!....and that costs $$$ > > Just one 20 year veteran interconnect's opinion. > > Best, Jim Schultz > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Toppin" > To: "Pat Thornton" > Cc: "KXT Help" > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 10:02 AM > Subject: RE: KX-T: making lemon-aide > > > > From a buyers perspective, you could get your price in line with the > > ablecomm's and the www.kx-td.com prices. My local Panasonic dealer > > wanted about 35% more than what I could buy it from Michael for. They > > also wanted 800 to install, and I had already run all the wire. So it > > was basically hang, punch, & program. I ended up doing it all myself > > as I thought $200 per hour was unreasonable. I ended up buying the > > system on ebay and some stuff from Michael who was very helpful. I > > realize most won't go throught the learning curve I had to, but I'm > > glad I did. I can change stuff I need to as the issues arise, etc. > > This list was very helpful, and I made some great contacts who in the > > future I would use as I would RATHER NOT do it myself. Those of you > > who take advantages of internet sales, and hook up with the people who > > are selling them, could probably make a pretty good living as I'm sure > > it's a big market. Some jobs pay better than others in ALL work, > > sometimes you don't make as much as you'd like, but I've found > > sometimes you need to take the work that is in front of you. You may > > also want to take into consideration that if you are referred as an > > installer from an internet site, you are spending no dollars to get the > > business. > > > > > > > > David Toppin > > > > The Pelletizer Group, Inc. > > 483 Phinneys Lane > > Centerville, MA 02632 > > > > (508) 790 4245 > > (508) 775 9917 fax > > > > dave@pelletizer.com > > www.pelletizer.com <---- see our complete, searchable inventory > > > > Please inform us of any surplus equipment you may have available. > > > > > > > > ********************************************************* > > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > > ********************************************************* > > > > > > ********************************************************* > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > ********************************************************* ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Tue Oct 23 03:19:53 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15vyf1-00021Q-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 03:19:51 -0700 Message-ID: <006401c15bac$505784e0$6501a8c0@monitor> From: "Harry from Select" To: "larry" , "Pat Thornton" Cc: References: <3.0.32.20011020004354.00a6d4e0@pop.sonic.net> Subject: Re: KX-T: making lemon-aide Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 06:20:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk We agree with your thoughts there, Pat Your average end user is always looking at numbers So if they choose to buy from an internet dealer because they are going to save a couple of dollars....let them what they save now will cost cost two times as much or more when it comes time to give them personalized one on one service Eye to eye service on site is much more valuable to have than some dot com company a thousand miles away in a different time zone. I also notice that virtually none of these dotcom resellers emphasize that the digital KXTD products should be installed by a legitimate certified tech from Panasonic, they can sell all the fancy products and accessories they want including OEM programming software for the switches, and Panasonic will never support them. Long term......end user gets an education! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Thornton" To: "larry" Cc: Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 3:43 AM Subject: Re: KX-T: making lemon-aide > Larry, > > My opinion is that we, as independent dealers, do not support the sales > efforts of internet sites. Not that some of them are not reputable, > knowledgeable dealers in their own right. Many are, i.e. ablecomm. > > My latest dealer agreement with Panasonic specifically requires that we > install every system that we sell. This is obviously impossible for > internet dealers. They cannot provide the same level of service and > customization that I feel is necessary for local dealers to remain > competitive. > > What have you missed, you ask? Well, for one thing, you miss a reasonable > markup on the equipment sales. You also miss sales for add-ons, upgrades, > and replacements, if the end user is relying on an internet source. Yes, > you can charge T&M for equipment failures, but realistically,given the > reliablity of Panasonic products, how much can that be? > > And maybe most importantly, you are giving up the referral value of that > customer. Wouldn't you rather have them tell their friends what good > service you gave them, as opposed to what a good price they got over the > internet? > > Let's face facts: Panasonic is not going to to get tough with internet > dealers, because their main customer is not the dealer, but the > distribution company. Panasonic is not going to risk their relationship > with Graybar, or Sprint/North Supply or Teledymanics because they happen to > be a little lax about who they sell to. Therefore it is incumbent upon > us, the genuine certified dealer, to hold the hard line. > > I admit, it is tempting to just cave in and take the installation money > from a customer who seems determined to buy online. I have done it once, > and immediately regretted it. Having to refuse a internet customer's > requests for training and support, even though I pointed out that they had > already paid for support from their internet dealer, went against every > fibre of my customer service ethic. > > I believe the opportunity exists for us value-added resellers to compete > effectively with internet resellers. Many a user has forgotten the initial > savings when faced with a business-threatening outage or failure when his > only recourse is a dot-com address. > > I invite responsible opposing opinons - this is a large issue for us all. > > Pat Thornton > TeleCom Services Co. > Ukiah, CA > pat@tlcm.com > > > > ********************************************************* > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > ********************************************************* > ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Tue Oct 23 08:12:06 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15w3Do-00027l-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 08:12:04 -0700 From: PHONEMANII@aol.com Message-ID: <3b.1c1b2b09.2906e29b@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 11:11:23 EDT Subject: Re: KX-T: making lemon-aide To: kxt@kxthelp.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_3b.1c1b2b09.2906e29b_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk --part1_3b.1c1b2b09.2906e29b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For you guys that think it's a big thing where a customer purchases equipment. I have found that it really doesn't matter. Making money is the name of the game. Labor is Labor and Installation of customer provided equipment is less liability for us. It is no different when you move a customer from an old business location to a new one. Take whatever work there is, when it is there. I'm still trying to get a 40 hour week for me and my crew. No job is too small. Some of my smallest customers have been the most profitable in the end. Hoping the best for you all. Mack (Mack's Communications) --part1_3b.1c1b2b09.2906e29b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For you guys that think it's a big thing where a customer purchases equipment.  I have found that it really doesn't matter.  Making money is the name of the game.  Labor is Labor and Installation of customer provided equipment is less liability for us.  It is no different when you move a customer from an old business location to a new one.  Take whatever work there is, when it is there.  I'm still trying to get a 40 hour week for me and my crew.  No job is too small.  Some of my smallest customers have been the most profitable in the end.

Hoping the best for you all.

Mack (Mack's Communications) --part1_3b.1c1b2b09.2906e29b_boundary-- ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Tue Oct 23 12:44:00 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15w7Sw-0002AK-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 12:43:58 -0700 X-Sent: 23 Oct 2001 19:43:23 GMT Message-ID: <000901c15bfb$57676f80$6401a8c0@vaio> From: "al hom" To: Cc: References: <3b.1c1b2b09.2906e29b@aol.com> Subject: Re: KX-T: making lemon-aide Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 12:45:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C15BC0.AAA3E240" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C15BC0.AAA3E240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Everyone have a different profit margin, MUST charge what it take to = make a living.----- Original Message -----=20 STFrom: PHONEMANII@aol.com=20 To: kxt@kxthelp.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 8:11 AM Subject: Re: KX-T: making lemon-aide=20 For you guys that think it's a big thing where a customer purchases = equipment. I have found that it really doesn't matter. Making money is = the name of the game. Labor is Labor and Installation of customer = provided equipment is less liability for us. It is no different when = you move a customer from an old business location to a new one. Take = whatever work there is, when it is there. I'm still trying to get a 40 = hour week for me and my crew. No job is too small. Some of my smallest = customers have been the most profitable in the end. Hoping the best for you all. Mack (Mack's Communications)=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C15BC0.AAA3E240 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Everyone have a different profit margin, MUST charge = what  it take to make a living.----- Original Message -----=20 STFrom: = PHONEMANII@aol.com =
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 = 8:11=20 AM
Subject: Re: KX-T: making = lemon-aide=20

For you guys that think it's a big thing where a = customer=20 purchases equipment.  I have found that it really doesn't = matter. =20 Making money is the name of the game.  Labor is Labor and = Installation of=20 customer provided equipment is less liability for us.  It is no = different=20 when you move a customer from an old business location to a new = one. =20 Take whatever work there is, when it is there.  I'm still trying = to get a=20 40 hour week for me and my crew.  No job is too small.  Some = of my=20 smallest customers have been the most profitable in the = end.

Hoping the=20 best for you all.

Mack (Mack's Communications)=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C15BC0.AAA3E240-- ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Tue Oct 23 14:30:36 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15w987-0002BS-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 14:30:35 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20011023143323.01ded5b0@mail.real.com> X-Sender: philba@mail.real.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 14:33:23 -0700 To: From: Phil Barrett Subject: Re: KX-T: making lemon-aide In-Reply-To: <000901c15bfb$57676f80$6401a8c0@vaio> References: <3b.1c1b2b09.2906e29b@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk I'm not sure why all this anger is focused on the guy who buys over the internet. I can't believe that you never have non-internet customers (or potential ones) that try to squeeze you on equipment or services that you provide. that's just life. do you invest as much energy into bitching about them? Here's a simple formula: make a proposal to the cumstomer that you can make money on. let them walk if they dont like it. if you think the customer will be a problem, decline to bid on the job. and, its very reasonable to ask for a deposit. however, you need to be careful not to create an unnecessarily adversarial situation (as do the customers). trust and goodwill are still important. In my line of work (nothing related), we get all kinds of customers trying to low ball us. we run the numbers and make a decision based on them. simple as that. we ain't doing work for free. If some one is a complete asshole, we take that into account. we've been burned but not enough to hurt us, even in this downturn. phil ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Wed Oct 24 06:54:36 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15wOUM-0002Mm-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 06:54:34 -0700 From: Luis Zelaya Subject: KX-T: Connecting Amplifier to KX-TD1232 To: kxt@kxthelp.com Message-Id: Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 06:54:29 -0700 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Hello I am planning to connect speakers to my telephone system to page to the warehouse staff. However; I heve no idea how to connect the amplifier to the KX-TD1232. Does anyone can help me? It will be appreciated. Thanks Luis ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Wed Oct 24 07:16:50 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15wOpt-0002NQ-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 07:16:49 -0700 From: Luis Zelaya To: kxt@kxthelp.com Subject: KX-T: Connecting Amplifier to KX-TD1232 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 06:54:29 -0700 X-RBL-Warning: This E-mail was sent from a mail server with no reverse DNS entry. X-Note: This E-mail was sent from [No Reverse DNS] ([198.51.175.35]). X-RCPT-TO: X-UIDL: 491 Status: U Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Hello I am planning to connect speakers to my telephone system to page to the warehouse staff. However; I heve no idea how to connect the amplifier to the KX-TD1232. Does anyone can help me? It will be appreciated. Thanks Luis ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Wed Oct 24 07:31:11 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15wP3l-0002Nk-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 07:31:09 -0700 From: Luis Zelaya To: kxt@kxthelp.com Subject: KX-T: Connecting Amplifier to KX-TD1232 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 06:54:29 -0700 X-RBL-Warning: This E-mail was sent from a mail server with no reverse DNS entry. X-Note: This E-mail was sent from [No Reverse DNS] ([198.51.175.35]). X-RCPT-TO: Status: U X-RBL-Warning: This E-mail was sent from a mail server with no reverse DNS entry. X-Note: This E-mail was sent from [No Reverse DNS] ([198.51.175.35]). X-UIDL: 495 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Hello I am planning to connect speakers to my telephone system to page to the warehouse staff. However; I heve no idea how to connect the amplifier to the KX-TD1232. Does anyone can help me? It will be appreciated. Thanks Luis ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Wed Oct 24 08:52:15 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15wQKD-0002Oc-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 08:52:13 -0700 Message-ID: <008401c15ca3$b0a03ac0$07c7f9c7@marc2000ws> From: "Marc L. Kozam" To: References: <3.0.32.20011020004354.00a6d4e0@pop.sonic.net> <006401c15bac$505784e0$6501a8c0@monitor> Subject: Re: KX-T: making lemon-aide Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 11:51:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk I tried to keep quiet on this one but... >From an outsider, it seems like some installers underprice their work and wind up with a slim (or even negative!) profit margin when it comes to the labor component. To make up for this, they depend on a high profit margin on the equipment component. Until recently, this worked fine because the overall profit margin on the "package" of equipment plus service was reasonable. Mail order, the internet, and a better used market have changed the equation because equipment and service are no longer bundled. Some customers WANT the a la carte menu option, so installers need to rethink their pricing structure so that they can make a profit on the labor (both initial installs and support) as well as the equipment sales. Can you imagine a car dealer refusing to fix your car because you bought it elsewhere? Or because you had it serviced at the local gas station a few months ago? Or because your cousin tried to fix it but really screwed it up? Just my thoughts... Marc kozam@mlksoft.com ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Wed Oct 24 09:07:42 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15wQZA-0002PB-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 09:07:40 -0700 Message-ID: <003401c15ca5$f59f46a0$37e63ccc@a.schultz> From: "Schultz Comm" To: "Marc L. Kozam" , References: <3.0.32.20011020004354.00a6d4e0@pop.sonic.net> <006401c15bac$505784e0$6501a8c0@monitor> <008401c15ca3$b0a03ac0$07c7f9c7@marc2000ws> Subject: Re: KX-T: making lemon-aide Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 12:07:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Marc makes some good points here, but can you imagine the look you'd get from that car dealer if you brought your own oil, oil filter, sparkplugs, etc. and asked them to install them?...how about bringing a lobster into Red Lobster and asking them to prepare it for you?....... The market place IS changing...we need to educate the consumer a bit however.........THEY need to change their thinking as well. Best to all, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc L. Kozam" Sent: Wednesday, > Can you imagine a car dealer refusing to fix your car because you bought it > elsewhere? Or because you had it serviced at the local gas station a few > months ago? Or because your cousin tried to fix it but really screwed it > up? > > Just my thoughts... > > Marc > kozam@mlksoft.com > > > > > ********************************************************* > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > ********************************************************* > ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Wed Oct 24 09:16:32 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15wQhj-0002PY-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 09:16:31 -0700 Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 11:16:23 -0500 (CDT) From: "D. Duccini" X-Sender: duccini@ra.bpsi.net To: Schultz Comm cc: "Marc L. Kozam" , kxt@kxthelp.com Subject: Re: KX-T: making lemon-aide In-Reply-To: <003401c15ca5$f59f46a0$37e63ccc@a.schultz> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Marketing 101 says that its extremely difficult to try and CHANGE peoples behaviors while your example is amusing, its not categorically correct there are hundreds if not thousands of companies that will repair namebrand products purchase from someone else -- hell, what does a plumber do when you call them? "i'm sorry, i didn't build your house, so i'm not going to fix your leaky pipe" Sears for example will do repairs and installations on products you didn't buy from them this is technology, and its technology not built by the people selling it -- car salesmen know that the only real margin is the value-add play that you have to offer its a free market -- and if you don't want to help a potentially new customer out, they will find someone that can phone systems don't last forever, and you may be saying goodbye to a potential upgrade sale in the future just my .02 -duck On Wed, 24 Oct 2001, Schultz Comm wrote: > Marc makes some good points here, but can you imagine the look you'd get > from that car dealer if you brought your own oil, oil filter, sparkplugs, > etc. and asked them to install them?...how about bringing a lobster into Red > Lobster and asking them to prepare it for you?....... > The market place IS changing...we need to educate the consumer a bit > however.........THEY need to change their thinking as well. > > Best to all, > Jim > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marc L. Kozam" Sent: Wednesday, > > > Can you imagine a car dealer refusing to fix your car because you bought > it > > elsewhere? Or because you had it serviced at the local gas station a few > > months ago? Or because your cousin tried to fix it but really screwed it > > up? > > > > Just my thoughts... > > > > Marc > > kozam@mlksoft.com > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************* > > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > > ********************************************************* > > > > > > ********************************************************* > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > ********************************************************* > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- david@backpack.com BackPack Software, Inc. www.backpack.com +1 651.645.7550 voice "Life is an Adventure. +1 651.645.9798 fax Don't forget your BackPack!" ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Wed Oct 24 09:53:44 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15wRHi-0002Px-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 09:53:42 -0700 Message-ID: <001a01c15cac$4460a800$a9bdff3e@co.uk> Reply-To: "Mark" From: "Mark" To: "Luis Zelaya" , References: Subject: KX-T: Re: Connecting Amplifier to KX-TD1232 Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 17:52:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luis Zelaya" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 2:54 PM Subject: KX-T: Connecting Amplifier to KX-TD1232 > Hello I am planning to connect speakers to my telephone system to page to the warehouse staff. However; I heve no idea how to connect the amplifier to the KX-TD1232. Does anyone can help me? It will be appreciated. > > Thanks > > Luis You should find two phono sockets on the side of the cabinet (paging zones 1 and 2). Connect the output of this into the input of the amplifier, connect speakers to amplifier and switch on. Other than adjusting the volume there really is nothing more to it than that. Powered by http://www.lineisp.co.uk - Fast Free UK Internet (Modem & ISDN) ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Wed Oct 24 10:03:25 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15wRR4-0002Qs-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 10:03:22 -0700 From: Ben Subject: KX-T: Caller ID To: kxt@kxthelp.com Message-Id: Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 10:03:19 -0700 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Hi, I just added another line to my KXTD816 and though the line has caller ID on it (I checked) I can't seem to get the new lines Caller ID to show on the displays on the phone extensions. What am I missing? Thanks for your help. Ben ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Wed Oct 24 10:17:14 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15wReT-0002RI-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 10:17:13 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20011024131616.009f29c8@wcnet.org> X-Sender: cnavarro@wcnet.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 13:16:16 -0400 To: Ben , kxt@kxthelp.com From: Carl Navarro Subject: Re: KX-T: Caller ID In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk At 10:03 AM 10/24/2001 -0700, Ben wrote: >Hi, >I just added another line to my KXTD816 and though the line has caller ID on it (I checked) I can't seem to get the new lines >Caller ID to show on the displays on the phone extensions. What am I missing? >Thanks for your help. You are asking a question that has 3 elements to the answer. Which line did you add? CID works on 4 lines at once, so did you add line 2 3 or 4? Does it work if you move it to line 1? Did you turn it on in software? Hope that helps. Carl Navarro ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Wed Oct 24 11:19:22 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15wSca-0002SW-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 11:19:20 -0700 From: "Tim Hofbauer" To: "'Marc L. Kozam'" , Subject: RE: KX-T: making lemon-aide Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 13:15:23 -0500 Message-ID: <009701c15cb7$d972bb30$2b01010a@cptim> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <008401c15ca3$b0a03ac0$07c7f9c7@marc2000ws> Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk You ought to try to sell and service computers. We take what we can get, a customer brings in a sound card or other component because they can't figure it out, we'll install it and not feel guilty about the labor charge. We might make a few other suggestions on improving their computer or sell them an updated antivirus program. We also install telephone and network components, cabling, and CAT 5 verification, and love it when customers supply there own equipment, it is purely billable labor then. For those that want to expand business, we found a niche with just CAT 5 - 6 verification. We gained many customers because we were a one stop shop for all telephone and network needs. Tim Hofbauer MCSE Connecting Point -----Original Message----- From: owner-kxt@nccom.com [mailto:owner-kxt@nccom.com] On Behalf Of Marc L. Kozam Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 10:51 AM To: kxt@kxthelp.com Subject: Re: KX-T: making lemon-aide I tried to keep quiet on this one but... >From an outsider, it seems like some installers underprice their work and wind up with a slim (or even negative!) profit margin when it comes to the labor component. To make up for this, they depend on a high profit margin on the equipment component. Until recently, this worked fine because the overall profit margin on the "package" of equipment plus service was reasonable. Mail order, the internet, and a better used market have changed the equation because equipment and service are no longer bundled. Some customers WANT the a la carte menu option, so installers need to rethink their pricing structure so that they can make a profit on the labor (both initial installs and support) as well as the equipment sales. Can you imagine a car dealer refusing to fix your car because you bought it elsewhere? Or because you had it serviced at the local gas station a few months ago? Or because your cousin tried to fix it but really screwed it up? Just my thoughts... Marc kozam@mlksoft.com ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Wed Oct 24 11:41:11 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15wSxh-0002T5-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 11:41:09 -0700 From: Hedalan@aol.com Message-ID: <9a.1bb815a2.2908653b@aol.com> Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 14:40:59 EDT Subject: Re: KX-T: making lemon-aide To: duccini@backpack.com, schultzcomm@snet.net CC: kozam@mlksoft.com, kxt@kxthelp.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_9a.1bb815a2.2908653b_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10539 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk --part1_9a.1bb815a2.2908653b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/24/2001 1:17:44 PM Atlantic Daylight Time, duccini@backpack.com writes: > > > Can you imagine a car dealer refusing to fix your car because you bought > > it > > > elsewhere? Or because you had it serviced at the local gas station a > few > > > months ago? Or because your cousin tried to fix it but really screwed > it > > > up? Not that I care, but thought this might add to all this wisdom - My sister drove into her local Mercedes dealer in NJ and asked to have her brakes looked at in her 2000 M320 - They told her to take it to the other dealer where she bought it from - --part1_9a.1bb815a2.2908653b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/24/2001 1:17:44 PM Atlantic Daylight Time, duccini@backpack.com writes:


> > Can you imagine a car dealer refusing to fix your car because you bought
> it
> > elsewhere?  Or because you had it serviced at the local gas station a few
> > months ago?  Or because your cousin tried to fix it but really screwed it
> > up?
Not that I care, but thought this might add to all this wisdom -
My sister drove into her local Mercedes dealer in NJ and asked to have her brakes looked at in her 2000 M320 - They told her to take it to the other dealer where she bought it from - --part1_9a.1bb815a2.2908653b_boundary-- ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Wed Oct 24 11:50:25 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15wT6e-0002TP-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 11:50:24 -0700 From: "Dan Padilla" To: "KXT Help" Subject: RE: KX-T: Re: Connecting Amplifier to KX-TD1232 Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 11:43:54 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001a01c15cac$4460a800$a9bdff3e@co.uk> Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk inside of cabinet door on the digital, try the viking pa-2a. -----Original Message----- From: owner-kxt@nccom.com [mailto:owner-kxt@nccom.com]On Behalf Of Mark Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 8:52 AM To: Luis Zelaya; kxt@kxthelp.com Subject: KX-T: Re: Connecting Amplifier to KX-TD1232 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luis Zelaya" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 2:54 PM Subject: KX-T: Connecting Amplifier to KX-TD1232 > Hello I am planning to connect speakers to my telephone system to page to the warehouse staff. However; I heve no idea how to connect the amplifier to the KX-TD1232. Does anyone can help me? It will be appreciated. > > Thanks > > Luis You should find two phono sockets on the side of the cabinet (paging zones 1 and 2). Connect the output of this into the input of the amplifier, connect speakers to amplifier and switch on. Other than adjusting the volume there really is nothing more to it than that. Powered by http://www.lineisp.co.uk - Fast Free UK Internet (Modem & ISDN) ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Wed Oct 24 12:00:36 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15wTGV-0002Tv-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 12:00:35 -0700 Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 12:00:31 -0700 From: Jim Gottlieb To: Schultz Comm Cc: "Marc L. Kozam" , kxt@kxthelp.com Subject: Re: KX-T: making lemon-aide Message-ID: <20011024120031.D12705@nccom.com> References: <3.0.32.20011020004354.00a6d4e0@pop.sonic.net> <006401c15bac$505784e0$6501a8c0@monitor> <008401c15ca3$b0a03ac0$07c7f9c7@marc2000ws> <003401c15ca5$f59f46a0$37e63ccc@a.schultz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <003401c15ca5$f59f46a0$37e63ccc@a.schultz>; from schultzcomm@snet.net on Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 12:07:13PM -0400 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk On 2001-10-24 at 12:07, Schultz Comm (schultzcomm@snet.net) wrote: > but can you imagine the look you'd get > from that car dealer if you brought your own oil, oil filter, sparkplugs, > etc. and asked them to install them? I have done this. They seem happy to do it and make the $65 an hour they wouldn't have made had I installed the items myself. ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Wed Oct 24 12:47:18 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15wTze-0002Ub-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 12:47:14 -0700 From: Dan Padilla To: KXT Help Subject: RE: KX-T: Re: Connecting Amplifier to KX-TD1232 Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 11:43:54 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001a01c15cac$4460a800$a9bdff3e@co.uk> X-Note: This E-mail was sent from sinden.nccom.com. ([198.51.175.35]). X-RCPT-TO: X-UIDL: 500 Status: U Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk inside of cabinet door on the digital, try the viking pa-2a. -----Original Message----- From: owner-kxt@nccom.com [mailto:owner-kxt@nccom.com]On Behalf Of Mark Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 8:52 AM To: Luis Zelaya; kxt@kxthelp.com Subject: KX-T: Re: Connecting Amplifier to KX-TD1232 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luis Zelaya" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 2:54 PM Subject: KX-T: Connecting Amplifier to KX-TD1232 > Hello I am planning to connect speakers to my telephone system to page to the warehouse staff. However; I heve no idea how to connect the amplifier to the KX-TD1232. Does anyone can help me? It will be appreciated. > > Thanks > > Luis You should find two phono sockets on the side of the cabinet (paging zones 1 and 2). Connect the output of this into the input of the amplifier, connect speakers to amplifier and switch on. Other than adjusting the volume there really is nothing more to it than that. Powered by http://www.lineisp.co.uk - Fast Free UK Internet (Modem & ISDN) ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Wed Oct 24 12:47:23 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15wTzi-0002Um-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 12:47:18 -0700 From: Hedalan@aol.com To: duccini@backpack.com, schultzcomm@snet.net Cc: kozam@mlksoft.com, kxt@kxthelp.com Message-ID: <9a.1bb815a2.2908653b@aol.com> Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 14:40:59 EDT Subject: Re: KX-T: making lemon-aide MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_9a.1bb815a2.2908653b_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10539 X-Note: This E-mail was sent from sinden.nccom.com. ([198.51.175.35]). X-RCPT-TO: X-UIDL: 499 Status: U Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk --part1_9a.1bb815a2.2908653b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/24/2001 1:17:44 PM Atlantic Daylight Time, duccini@backpack.com writes: > > Can you imagine a car dealer refusing to fix your car because you bought > it > > elsewhere? Or because you had it serviced at the local gas station a few > > months ago? Or because your cousin tried to fix it but really screwed it > > up? Not that I care, but thought this might add to all this wisdom - My sister drove into her local Mercedes dealer in NJ and asked to have her brakes looked at in her 2000 M320 - They told her to take it to the other dealer where she bought it from - --part1_9a.1bb815a2.2908653b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/24/2001 1:17:44 PM Atlantic Daylight Time, duccini@backpack.com writes:


> > Can you imagine a car dealer refusing to fix your car because you bought
> it
> > elsewhere?  Or because you had it serviced at the local gas station a few
> > months ago?  Or because your cousin tried to fix it but really screwed it
> > up?
Not that I care, but thought this might add to all this wisdom -
My sister drove into her local Mercedes dealer in NJ and asked to have her brakes looked at in her 2000 M320 - They told her to take it to the other dealer where she bought it from - --part1_9a.1bb815a2.2908653b_boundary-- ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Wed Oct 24 12:47:24 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15wTzk-0002Uq-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 12:47:20 -0700 From: Jim Gottlieb To: Schultz Comm Cc: "Marc L. Kozam" , kxt@kxthelp.com Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 12:00:31 -0700 Subject: Re: KX-T: making lemon-aide Message-ID: <20011024120031.D12705@nccom.com> References: <3.0.32.20011020004354.00a6d4e0@pop.sonic.net> <006401c15bac$505784e0$6501a8c0@monitor> <008401c15ca3$b0a03ac0$07c7f9c7@marc2000ws> <003401c15ca5$f59f46a0$37e63ccc@a.schultz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <003401c15ca5$f59f46a0$37e63ccc@a.schultz>; from schultzcomm@snet.net on Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 12:07:13PM -0400 X-Note: This E-mail was sent from sinden.nccom.com. ([198.51.175.35]). X-RCPT-TO: X-UIDL: 501 Status: U Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk On 2001-10-24 at 12:07, Schultz Comm (schultzcomm@snet.net) wrote: > but can you imagine the look you'd get > from that car dealer if you brought your own oil, oil filter, sparkplugs, > etc. and asked them to install them? I have done this. They seem happy to do it and make the $65 an hour they wouldn't have made had I installed the items myself. ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Wed Oct 24 13:19:37 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15wUUx-0002Vk-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 13:19:35 -0700 Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 15:19:28 -0500 (CDT) From: "D. Duccini" X-Sender: duccini@ra.bpsi.net To: Hedalan@aol.com cc: schultzcomm@snet.net, kozam@mlksoft.com, kxt@kxthelp.com Subject: Re: KX-T: making lemon-aide In-Reply-To: <9a.1bb815a2.2908653b@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk I'm sure Mercedes would like to know about this. But otherwise, if that is Mercedes policy, then I'll be certain not to buy them, nor encourage other people to buy them. But you see the fallacy I hope > Not that I care, but thought this might add to all this wisdom - > My sister drove into her local Mercedes dealer in NJ and asked to have her > brakes looked at in her 2000 M320 - They told her to take it to the other > dealer where she bought it from - > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- david@backpack.com BackPack Software, Inc. www.backpack.com +1 651.645.7550 voice "Life is an Adventure. +1 651.645.9798 fax Don't forget your BackPack!" ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Wed Oct 24 14:03:02 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15wVAy-0002WQ-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 14:03:00 -0700 Message-ID: <20011024210257.78875.qmail@web12007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 14:02:57 -0700 (PDT) From: larry Subject: Re: KX-T: Caller ID To: kxt@kxthelp.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk We have been seeing this type thing happening where a single station goes goofy. Just unplug and replug the set and all will be fine. If it happens again, look for RF noise near the set. At one location, we pinpointed it to a laser printer next to the phone, moved them apart (other side of desk) and problem went away. Also, while punching down / moving stations on a 66M, if your tool shorts a data pair, you can see the same effect. Or worst case, take down the four related sets and loose the calls in progress. You do POWER DOWN while making M/C??? (yea, right) Another unrelated problem we solved (after too many weeks). Strange three beeps after picking up a line, especially the first call of the day at that set. After awhile, you know all the tones a KSU can generate. This one was so well timed, it had to be from the KSU, but I was positive it wasn't a KSU tone. Maybe something from the CO? After a day with a line to a real SLT, it wasn't from the CO. Really found it by accident, moved a phone to a new location. Sounded distorted... no problem, changed the plantronics headset batteries. Big light flashes, the plantronics does three beeps for dead battery warning!!! Changed batteries in other sets, problem gone. Of course, if you use plantronics with your pano sets next to a computer monitor, you use batteries to get rid of the hum. -larry --- Ben wrote: > Got a problem, one extension suddenly stopped > ringing and displaying the calls on its screen. > However other than that the extension works fine. > Any clues? > Ben > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Wed Oct 24 14:20:40 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15wVS3-0002Wn-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 14:20:39 -0700 Message-ID: <20011024212035.36775.qmail@web12001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 14:20:35 -0700 (PDT) From: larry Subject: Re: KX-T: TVS Integration. To: kxt@kxthelp.com In-Reply-To: <20011020152100.DGUT4964.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Two of the 990 fudge bits affect this too, IRNA to VM, restart as #6 or #8. No manual here, but something in the bit 33/34 neighborhood I think. -larry --- rodtech@att.net wrote: > if you have the tvs answering on an intercept and > not > acting as an auto attendant, some earlier versions > will > send callers to mbx 101. the "fix" is to delete mbx > 101 > the tvs will, at that point have to send call to top > > menu. The reason it now is sending calls to mbx 101 > is > because the lowest ringing ext (101)is the "owner" > of > the call, if ext 101 has no mbx the only place left > to > go is to the top menu, or you could upgrade the > unit. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Wed Oct 24 15:17:21 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15wWKt-0002XX-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 15:17:19 -0700 Message-ID: <20011024221716.85917.qmail@web12007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 15:17:16 -0700 (PDT) From: larry Subject: Re: KX-T: making lemon-aide To: kxt@kxthelp.com In-Reply-To: <20011020030748.42842.qmail@web12005.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Thanks for all the great comments! A few short notes. Internet selling, like Sams Club, John's Electronic surplus and phones, is here to stay and we were interested in how others took advantage. We learned a long time ago that you cannot tell a customer "no", the "no" must come from him. We are selective in "picking" customers, and we have a whole list of things that tell us we would rather NOT have this customer. If we foresee problems, we will multiply our bid, hopefully to the point the customer will look elsewhere. But we have our bid was accepted, which we quickly and happily sub'd out (taking our "finders fee"). We had cases where the customer went elsewhere for the better deal, but came back to us happily accepting our way of doing things. As many of you pointed out, we're in business to support us and our employees and families. If we can't , there's not much sense doing it. We have an additional requirement here, we enjoy ours jobs and what we do, and we want to work with customers that are enjoyable to work with. Several mentioned computer stores. In 1988, we sold our last store, when we saw more of our customers at the supply house than in our stores! Not fun making up thousands in rent and utilities on a 3% margin. When we liquidated stock, we discovered how the other stores were surviving, by paying 10 cents on the dollar from the latest defunct store. But we still support a number of computer customers, fixing / setting-up what they buy at Fry's ;-) The prospect that started my question actually bought the system from us, liked the idea we were 15 minutes away. And we also had an install for a system that was a website buy. Was funny, most box UPC's were gone, how long will these folks be around should Pano stop the rebates? Again, thanks for some great ideas. Wish you all the best. -larry / dallas __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Wed Oct 24 19:10:58 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15wZyy-0002Zt-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 19:10:56 -0700 Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 22:11:34 -0400 From: JimMarks Subject: Re: KX-T: making lemon-aide To: "D. Duccini" , Schultz Comm Cc: "Marc L. Kozam" , kxt@kxthelp.com Message-id: <004601c15cfa$60fda6e0$b554be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Sorry Duck, But your pond doesn't hold water. I don't care about where anybody bought thier cars, lemonade, ksu's or thier last dose of exlax. When I design & install a phone system it is installed, labeled, administrated & programmed to what I feel is the best possible installation I can do. If your car showes up at my shop & I have to spend an hr. or two to figure out why the trunk is taped to the front bumper & explain why it should not be there to the driver that is used to it & I explain why you should acctually have the trunk maybe somewhere in the back, then that takes me more time to correct an inproperly installed trunk & I need to spend a lot more time to service that car then the car that was installed by a dealer properly. I have to charge more to service that car. When I install phone equipment, It has a head start to be the most productive telecom equipment that doesn't need to have the trunk relocated or explained to the sub that it should not have been there in the first place. There is no comparison to servicing a motor vehicle to a phone system. If you change my oil? Do you give a "S" if my car doesn't starts 6am Sun morning? & I call you out of bed & say "you changed my oil & now my car won't start"? whould you give a Shit. Sorry but all the comparisons I have seen on this making lemonade thread are bullshit. It still defaults to the fact that the installation & sale should have been done properly in the first place. The person buying/selling should have done the RIGHT thing in the first place. If the buyer/seller has to find someone to install it or service it he is NOT getting the best job done which is the ONLY way I will do any install...............JIM ---- Original Message ----- From: "D. Duccini" > > Marketing 101 says that its extremely difficult to try and CHANGE peoples > behaviors > > while your example is amusing, its not categorically correct > > there are hundreds if not thousands of companies that will repair > namebrand products purchase from someone else -- hell, what does a > plumber do when you call them? > > "i'm sorry, i didn't build your house, so i'm not going to fix your leaky > pipe" > > Sears for example will do repairs and installations on products you didn't > buy from them > > this is technology, and its technology not built by the people selling it > -- car salesmen know that > > the only real margin is the value-add play that you have to offer > > its a free market -- and if you don't want to help a potentially new > customer out, they will find someone that can > > phone systems don't last forever, and you may be saying goodbye to a > potential upgrade sale in the future > > just my .02 > > -duck > > > On Wed, 24 Oct 2001, Schultz Comm wrote: > > > Marc makes some good points here, but can you imagine the look you'd get > > from that car dealer if you brought your own oil, oil filter, sparkplugs, > > etc. and asked them to install them?...how about bringing a lobster into Red > > Lobster and asking them to prepare it for you?....... > > The market place IS changing...we need to educate the consumer a bit > > however.........THEY need to change their thinking as well. > > > > Best to all, > > Jim > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Marc L. Kozam" Sent: Wednesday, > > > > > Can you imagine a car dealer refusing to fix your car because you bought > > it > > > elsewhere? Or because you had it serviced at the local gas station a few > > > months ago? Or because your cousin tried to fix it but really screwed it > > > up? > > > > > > Just my thoughts... > > > > > > Marc > > > kozam@mlksoft.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************* > > > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > > > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > > > ********************************************************* > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************* > > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > > ********************************************************* > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- > david@backpack.com BackPack Software, Inc. www.backpack.com > +1 651.645.7550 voice "Life is an Adventure. > +1 651.645.9798 fax Don't forget your BackPack!" > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- > > > > ********************************************************* > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > ********************************************************* > ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Wed Oct 24 21:53:27 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15wcWE-0002cK-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 21:53:26 -0700 Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 23:44:55 -0500 To: kxt@kxthelp.com From: Dave Phelps Subject: Re: KX-T: making lemon-aide Resent-From: jimmy@nccom.com Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 21:53:23 -0700 Resent-To: kxt@nccom.com Resent-Message-Id: Sender: owner-kxt Precedence: bulk Ok, count me in on this thread too :-) My question is why does the sale and the installation have to be a package deal for you? Who cares? If a customer buys a Pana from some web site then wants you to install it, its still in the box, just as it would have been if you had ordered it. So you lose a little profit on the materials. At least you get the profit on the labor. If you don't do the work, you don't get any profit on the labor either. I would install a system purchased elsewhere. It simply means either I can't get it cheap enough, or my markup was too high. I consider selling products and selling service, to be two distinct, separate profit-centers. And products aren't much of a profit-center. I would rather get the business and get a customer and break even on the equipment. You get profit on the labor anytime the customer has an issue. OTOH, if you refuse the work, the customer won't call you for return business later either. ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Wed Oct 24 21:56:09 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15wcYp-0002cd-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 21:56:07 -0700 Message-ID: <040201c15cfc$82cad750$3c00a8c0@PICARD> Reply-To: "Reddy Biggs" From: "Reddy Biggs" To: References: <004601c15cfa$60fda6e0$b554be18@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: KX-T: making lemon-aide Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 21:26:52 -0500 Organization: Archer & Biggs, Inc. Resent-From: jimmy@nccom.com Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 21:56:05 -0700 Resent-To: kxt@nccom.com Resent-Message-Id: Sender: owner-kxt Precedence: bulk Jim, You missed the point entirely. Duck wasn't trying to say whether your point was right or wrong. He was pointing out the perception of 99% of consumers/buyers is different from yours. It sounds like you will be limiting yourself to the fraction of your market that accepts your terms of business. As that fraction goes from 100% to 0%, you will reach a point where you change your business m/o. Or go out of business. The smart guys are those who read the business trends and profit from them, not buck them head-on and get clobbered. Time for a little meditation here. May I suggest "The Myth of Excellence: Why Great Companies Never Try to Be the Best at Everything" , by Fred Crawford & Ryan Mathews. Read it and decide how you want to compete. Good luck, Reddy ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Wed Oct 24 21:57:17 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15wcZv-0002d5-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 21:57:15 -0700 Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 22:12:39 -0500 (CDT) From: "D. Duccini" X-Sender: duccini@ra.bpsi.net To: JimMarks cc: Schultz Comm , "Marc L. Kozam" , kxt@kxthelp.com Subject: Re: KX-T: making lemon-aide In-Reply-To: <004601c15cfa$60fda6e0$b554be18@oemcomputer> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-From: jimmy@nccom.com Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 21:57:13 -0700 Resent-To: kxt@nccom.com Resent-Message-Id: Sender: owner-kxt Precedence: bulk There are those "premium shops" that won't touch other peoples messes and there are those that will solve peoples problems and charge the premium for it we're an end user of a KSU anyway that we bought off the 'net and installed ourselves. the only reason i got involved in this pissing match in the first place is because I thought it was really interesting how little CUSTOMER SERVICE many in the lemonade crowd were indicating that they were offering. this "high-ground" attitude -- a "rub their nose in their mess" just doesn't impress i already know that when my KXTD1232 dies I will not replace it with another Panasonic -- they are just too "closed system" for our needs, and are just too "old school" mentality when it comes to new features I'll end up with an Altigen or something else that supports IP or I'll buy something that is linux based i pay consultants and "certified" engineers all the time for their advice -- and in this market, they are easy to find hell, even CISCO will sell you a maintenance contract on ANY of their hardware in ANY condition, regardless of who you bought it from but then again, they know what customer service means -d ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Thu Oct 25 03:28:21 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15whkJ-0002gO-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 03:28:19 -0700 Message-ID: <001d01c15d3f$d580dec0$6501a8c0@monitor> From: "Harry from Select" To: "D. Duccini" , "JimMarks" Cc: "Schultz Comm" , "Marc L. Kozam" , References: Subject: Re: KX-T: making lemon-aide Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 06:28:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk I had a good feeling you were an end user your average end user does not have the same capacity and do it yourself telephony knowledge to install there own system the way you did. You must be so proud.....I almost commend you for it....but do you think that you're paying your consultants and "certified" engineers just enough or too much. Your expression of consultants and "certified" engineers is a little vague If you wanted an IP system to perform connectivity between your multi-office locations your consultants and "certified" engineers could of put that scenario to work about three years ago, instead you purchased a KXTD off the net.....you must of been on a string budget back then. If you have the money now go for it ----- Original Message ----- From: "D. Duccini" To: "JimMarks" Cc: "Schultz Comm" ; "Marc L. Kozam" ; Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 11:12 PM Subject: Re: KX-T: making lemon-aide > > There are those "premium shops" that won't touch other > peoples messes > > and there are those that will solve peoples problems and charge the > premium for it > > we're an end user of a KSU anyway that we bought off the 'net and > installed ourselves. > > the only reason i got involved in this pissing match in the first place is > because I thought it was really interesting how little CUSTOMER SERVICE > many in the lemonade crowd were indicating that they were offering. > > this "high-ground" attitude -- a "rub their nose in their mess" just > doesn't impress > > i already know that when my KXTD1232 dies I will not replace it with > another Panasonic -- they are just too "closed system" for our needs, and > are just too "old school" mentality when it comes to new features > > I'll end up with an Altigen or something else that supports IP > > or I'll buy something that is linux based > > i pay call the time for their advice > -- and in this market, they are easy to find > > hell, even CISCO will sell you a maintenance contract on ANY of their > hardware in ANY condition, regardless of who you bought it from > > but then again, they know what customer service means > > -d > > > ********************************************************* > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > ********************************************************* ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Thu Oct 25 06:11:29 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15wkIC-0002lu-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 06:11:28 -0700 Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 08:11:17 -0500 (CDT) From: "D. Duccini" X-Sender: duccini@ra.bpsi.net To: Harry from Select cc: JimMarks , Schultz Comm , "Marc L. Kozam" , kxt@kxthelp.com Subject: Re: KX-T: making lemon-aide In-Reply-To: <001d01c15d3f$d580dec0$6501a8c0@monitor> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk > I had a good feeling you were an end user and your point is? > your average end user does not have the same capacity and do it yourself > telephony knowledge to install there own system the way you did. > You must be so proud.....I almost commend you for it.... proud of it? hardly worth the acknowledgement. I built an ISP and I can assure you that installing and configuring the little pana was trivial compared to all the Ascend, Cisco, Computone, Astrocom, Mulitech gear we have. oh yeah, I have a masters in software engineering > but do you think that you're paying your consultants and "certified" > engineers just enough or too much. What I pay them is probably too little -- give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he can eat all his life. > Your expression of consultants and "certified" engineers is a little > vague If you wanted an IP system to perform connectivity between your > multi-office locations your consultants and "certified" engineers > could of put that scenario to work about three years ago, instead you > purchased a KXTD off the net.....you must of been on a string budget > back then. If you have the money now go for it Your inferences are really amusing. Actually we've had our KXTD for over five years and if I really wanted to shoe-horn in some inter-office VoIP stuff I could have done it myself -- its not rocket science the primary reason we bought the pana was this mailing list ! but pana has fallen behind the curve, and this "us-vs-them" attitude is just the ill smell of something rotten forming sure there has always been a tension of "certified -vs- DIY" -- in EVERY INDUSTRY but I can assure you that a business model not based on servicing clients is not sustainable -- like most computer hardware and the margins that follow -- the hardware is disposable If you can a build a fiefdom in your market, then go for it. -d ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- david@backpack.com BackPack Software, Inc. www.backpack.com +1 651.645.7550 voice "Life is an Adventure. +1 651.645.9798 fax Don't forget your BackPack!" ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Thu Oct 25 08:33:56 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15wmW2-0002n5-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 08:33:54 -0700 From: Jorge Parada Subject: KX-T: Caller ID To: kxt@kxthelp.com Message-Id: Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 08:33:46 -0700 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk I'm trying to get the caller ID in the SMDR port before the call ends. Does anyone knows how to? I've read about DTA in UK but it's not being sold abroad ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Thu Oct 25 10:28:55 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15woJJ-0002oJ-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 10:28:53 -0700 Message-ID: <007301c15d4d$4d6d53c0$ef3cbbd8@IBMLWL309RBGX3> Reply-To: "Michael N. Marcus" From: "Michael N. Marcus" To: "Dave Phelps" Cc: References: <200110250454.AAA08251@mail.9netave.com> Subject: KX-T: the future Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 07:39:45 -0400 Organization: AbleComm, Inc. Resent-From: jimmy@nccom.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 10:28:50 -0700 Resent-To: kxt@nccom.com Resent-Message-Id: Sender: owner-kxt Precedence: bulk > if you refuse the work, the customer won't call you for return > business later either. HURRAY. Someone who "gets it." What most dealers, who are in love with their ladders and drills and punchdown tools, don't get, is that technology and marketing will radically change the nature of this business over the next few years. The Panasonic KX-TGA420 (4-line wireless speakerphone with voicemail, selling for less than $150) is a preview of the future. It has already taken sales away from the KX-TD308 and KX-TA624 and KX-TD816. The world is going wireless. If phone system vendors want to survive another decade or two, they have to concentrate on SERVICE, NOT PRODUCTS. You are going to see competition coming from many directions, not just from web-based dealers, or a low-balling land-based certified Panasonic dealer a mile away from you. (1) Panasonic is making a major effort to market enhanced analog phone systems through non-certified dealers. They want alarm installers and home-automation specialists to sell Panasonic phone systems. Every KX-TA system sold by an alarm guy means that one less KX-TD system is sold by a phone guy. Panasonic has been running some beautiful full-page ads aimed at rich consumers, but the ads show KX-TA systems that anyone with a pulse and a credit card can buy from ADI. (2) Staples has failed at selling phone systems three times, and Sears has failed twice, and "The Wiz" has failed once; but other giant retailers are bound to try, as they look to replace lost revenue in other areas. (3) A big advertising campaign from a competitor with deep pockets can _really_ mess things up. Do you remember when pre-Lucent ATT advertised phone systems with "free installation?" (The freebie didn't include installing wiring, BTW.) (4) Your prospective customer can buy a system on ebay and get Cat5 wire and a punchdown tool at HomeDepot. (5) Lots of companies are pushing PC-based phone systems and voice mail. (6) Panasonic has announced a wireless phone system that will be marketed by (GASP!) phone companies, to be used with ADSL. Learn how to sell your BRAINS, NOT MUSCLES.=20 Phone system installations will take MINUTES, NOT DAYS. You are going to have to make money by TEACHING AND TWEEKING AND ENHANCING, NOT DRILLING HOLES. Michael N. Marcus AbleComm, Inc. www.ablecomm.com etc. ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Thu Oct 25 10:46:19 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15woaA-0002oh-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 10:46:18 -0700 From: Panman2424@aol.com Message-ID: <94.1bed6d00.2909a9d3@aol.com> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 13:45:55 EDT Subject: Re: KX-T: making lemon-aide To: duccini@backpack.com, selectel@bellsouth.net CC: JimMarks@email.msn.com, schultzcomm@snet.net, kozam@mlksoft.com, kxt@kxthelp.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 40 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk In a message dated 10/25/2001 6:13:09 AM Pacific Daylight Time, duccini@backpack.com writes: > proud of it? hardly worth the acknowledgement. I built an ISP and I can >assure you that installing and configuring the little pana was trivial >compared to all the Ascend, Cisco, Computone, Astrocom, Mulitech gear we >have. Not sure what your point is but anyone with a little computer smarts can set up the Cisco, and Mulitech system's, (We had a mulitech talking over the Internet in 60min. from the time we removed it from the box. And we had a 15 min. drive to the next site) I have always wondered why some very smart people have such a hard time with the Panasonic, >oh yeah, I have a masters in software engineering People that type stuff like this 99% of the time are talking out of their A_ _. >Your inferences are really amusing. Actually we've had our KXTD for over five years Five years ago you asked a lot of questions on the set up of your system. After that I have noticed your answers to people setting up their first system borders on the flippant side, > and if I really wanted to shoe-horn in some inter-office VoIP stuff I >could have done it myself -- its not rocket science Most software programming is not rocket science, >the primary reason we bought the pana was this mailing list ! Why do you subscribe to this mailing? >but pana has fallen behind the curve, and this "us-vs-them" attitude is >just the ill smell of something rotten forming What has Panasonic fallen behind on...They sell one hell of a lot of phone systems, that IS what they do....... They have not gone VOIP but the market for that has not warranted it, Ask 3Com, Nortel, and Cisco, all have poor sales and have had to rethink how they will market this so they don't only get the computer .COM kind of customer, Panasonic does have stuff on the way, but when it comes out they will not be upgrading the software every 60 days, or sending out patches to fix major problems. But like all Panasonic products it will be worth your time to look at. us-Vs them seems to a big deal these day's, When it comes to this list, people like you lean most tech away from wanting to be helpfull, But I do see answers for all questions asked, Getting a quote from me then getting the equipment over the internet I have no problem with, My per hour charge is more then what I would bid if I sold the equipment, I normaly just quote $600.00 to program the voice mail and phone system for a home or business less then 15 people,Getting equipment off the internet then calling when things are mest up normally is the worst type of job, becuse this is the kind of person that thinks that you stop in work for 1 hour and correct the direction he was trying to go, Then run you out with only 1 hour, and then call 3 to 20 times for small questions, and when you say I need to bill you for that they say "Well if you dont want to help just say so" I have sold a lot of Panasonic equipment over the last 10 years, And I'm always looking for new customers, but as Deon Sanders said "If it don't make money it don"t make cents" >sure there has always been a tension of "certified -vs- DIY" -- in EVERY >INDUSTRY This is true. Getting certified on Panasonic system for a small dealer is not that hard, $600.00, (sometimes you can get training in the city that you live if you time it right) for a 1 week class, The last tech I sent to BCM school at Nortel cost $5000.00 plus 2 weeks of pay and all travel and hotel. Phil Lavery >> ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Thu Oct 25 13:03:45 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15wqj9-0002qA-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 13:03:43 -0700 Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 15:03:34 -0500 (CDT) From: "D. Duccini" X-Sender: duccini@ra.bpsi.net To: Panman2424@aol.com cc: selectel@bellsouth.net, JimMarks@email.msn.com, schultzcomm@snet.net, kozam@mlksoft.com, kxt@kxthelp.com Subject: Re: KX-T: making lemon-aide In-Reply-To: <94.1bed6d00.2909a9d3@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk > >oh yeah, I have a masters in software engineering > > People that type stuff like this 99% of the time are talking out of their A_ > _. Riiiiiiiight. > Five years ago you asked a lot of questions on the set up of your system. > After that I have noticed your answers to people setting up their first > system borders on the flippant side, show me > Why do you subscribe to this mailing? to learn and share peace ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- david@backpack.com BackPack Software, Inc. www.backpack.com +1 651.645.7550 voice "Life is an Adventure. +1 651.645.9798 fax Don't forget your BackPack!" ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Thu Oct 25 15:02:08 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15wsZi-0002re-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 15:02:06 -0700 From: David Lesher Message-Id: <200110252154.RAA01724@sigma.nrk.com> Subject: Re: KX-T: the future To: kxt@kxthelp.com (KXT Mailing list) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 17:54:14 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <007301c15d4d$4d6d53c0$ef3cbbd8@IBMLWL309RBGX3> from "Michael N. Marcus" at Oct 25, 2001 07:39:45 AM Reply-To: wb8foz@nrk.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Unnamed Administration sources reported that Michael N. Marcus said: > > > if you refuse the work, the customer won't call you for return > > business later either. > > HURRAY. Someone who "gets it." I fully agree. While I work on KXTD's...and ask dumb questions here; I'm no dealer. But I agree with Michael. Adopting a 1970 Dodge dealer additude with get you 1970 Dodge dealer sales figures, while everyone is buying Hondas. -- A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433 ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Thu Oct 25 15:14:48 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15wsly-0002sB-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 15:14:46 -0700 Message-ID: <003a01c15da2$67e60ee0$1e00a8c0@mpowercom.net> Reply-To: "randydell" From: "randydell" To: "Jorge Parada" , References: Subject: Re: KX-T: Caller ID Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 15:14:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk In the US models, -4 or newer, there is a bit in 990 that allows you to do this. rd ----- Original Message ----- From: Jorge Parada To: Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 8:33 AM Subject: KX-T: Caller ID > I'm trying to get the caller ID in the SMDR port before the call ends. Does anyone knows how to? > I've read about DTA in UK but it's not being sold abroad > > > > > ********************************************************* > * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * > * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * > ********************************************************* --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.291 / Virus Database: 156 - Release Date: 10/25/01 ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Thu Oct 25 15:18:05 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15wsp9-0002sU-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 15:18:03 -0700 Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 17:17:46 -0500 (CDT) From: "D. Duccini" X-Sender: duccini@ra.bpsi.net To: David Lesher cc: KXT Mailing list Subject: Re: KX-T: the future In-Reply-To: <200110252154.RAA01724@sigma.nrk.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk > Unnamed Administration sources reported that Michael N. Marcus said: > > > > > if you refuse the work, the customer won't call you for return > > > business later either. > > > > HURRAY. Someone who "gets it." > > > I fully agree. While I work on KXTD's...and ask dumb questions > here; I'm no dealer. But I agree with Michael. Adopting a 1970 > Dodge dealer additude with get you 1970 Dodge dealer sales figures, > while everyone is buying Hondas. Hooray! Some clarity once again to this discussion! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- david@backpack.com BackPack Software, Inc. www.backpack.com +1 651.645.7550 voice "Life is an Adventure. +1 651.645.9798 fax Don't forget your BackPack!" ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Thu Oct 25 15:29:32 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15wt0E-0002sn-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 15:29:30 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20011025182836.009f29c8@wcnet.org> X-Sender: cnavarro@wcnet.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 18:28:36 -0400 To: kxt@kxthelp.com From: Carl Navarro Subject: Re: KX-T: making lemon-aide In-Reply-To: References: <001d01c15d3f$d580dec0$6501a8c0@monitor> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk At 08:11 AM 10/25/2001 -0500, D. Duccini wrote: > >> I had a good feeling you were an end user > >and your point is? snip, snip, big snip Well I can see this thread has gone down a few notches. My office phone system for the last several years has been a Panasonic. I would buy another, and I still look at the new stuff. I have a fully functional BBS Telecom system with integrated voice mail, an old TIE/Nitsuko DS01, I sold the Candela Cardinal :-), and I looked at the Bizphon. I don't turn a blind eye to the new stuff, but the point is, my original goal is to answer the Damn phone. The Panasonic (currently a TD308) does this, well actually I or the voice mail (formerly an Amanda) now just my old Complete PC communicator. The 308 combined with Centrex and the RCF option let me handle all of my communications, both for the past 15 years and maybe for the next 15. Is there something better? Maybe. Would I buy another Pana? Yes. Would I buy something else? Of course. Ninety percent of my business is INCOMING calls. I don't need VoIP, I don't need 3 cent a minute long distance, I just need to pick up the phone and get dial tone or the customer at the other end. I don't give a shit that the box is not "open", try a Comdial DXP if you want open. I don't care that it doesn't run my network, or on my network, or can be programmed from Chicago. But I can still get my calls in Chicago if I choose to. The Panasonic is not expensive or inexpensive. It's jsut a tool, like the copier or fax or computer. I didn't call a tech to service any of those items, I just got the manual out and either fixed it, called customer support, or threw it away (yes, that stupid Inkjet Xerox went right into the blue dumpster). Replacement fax? A Panasonic Laser/Fax. I love it! But if it dies tomorrow, it joins it's predecessor. As the old timers know, what you did yesterday to make a living you won't necessarily do today. There are not many calls for Milkmen, Blacksmiths, or TV Repairmen. Deal with it. The whole nation may be wireless before the end of the decade, and the kxthelp list will be just us old farts talking about the good old days. So I guess this thread has no real answer. I don't even remember the original question. What do you do when the customer buys from the Internet or your competitor or whoever. You adapt. You still sell wire and jacks and blocks and labor. You find a new career. Don't go contracting, I'm already there :-). Carl Navarro ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Thu Oct 25 15:35:19 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15wt5q-0002t6-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 15:35:18 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20011025183424.009f29c8@wcnet.org> X-Sender: cnavarro@wcnet.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 18:34:24 -0400 To: Jorge Parada , kxt@kxthelp.com From: Carl Navarro Subject: Re: KX-T: Caller ID In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk At 08:33 AM 10/25/2001 -0700, Jorge Parada wrote: >I'm trying to get the caller ID in the SMDR port before the call ends. Does anyone knows how to? >I've read about DTA in UK but it's not being sold abroad If the caller ID is there, you get it by doing some 990 data. I believe that beginning with -1 it is a bit you set dealing with RC and AN (area 5 bit 42). RC sends when a call starts ringing (CID comes in then) and AN prints when the call is answered (CID is sent again). Carl Navarro ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Thu Oct 25 15:45:21 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15wtFX-0002tV-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 15:45:19 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20011025184426.009f23b8@wcnet.org> X-Sender: cnavarro@wcnet.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 18:44:26 -0400 To: kxt@kxthelp.com From: Carl Navarro Subject: Re: KX-T: making lemon-aide Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk At 08:11 AM 10/25/2001 -0500, D. Duccini wrote: > >> I had a good feeling you were an end user > >and your point is? snip, snip, big snip Well I can see this thread has gone down a few notches. My office phone system for the last several years has been a Panasonic. I would buy another, and I still look at the new stuff. I have a fully functional BBS Telecom system with integrated voice mail, an old TIE/Nitsuko DS01, I sold the Candela Cardinal :-), and I looked at the Bizphon. I don't turn a blind eye to the new stuff, but the point is, my original goal is to answer the Damn phone. The Panasonic (currently a TD308) does this, well actually I or the voice mail (formerly an Amanda) now just my old Complete PC communicator. The 308 combined with Centrex and the RCF option let me handle all of my communications, both for the past 15 years and maybe for the next 15. Is there something better? Maybe. Would I buy another Pana? Yes. Would I buy something else? Of course. Ninety percent of my business is INCOMING calls. I don't need VoIP, I don't need 3 cent a minute long distance, I just need to pick up the phone and get dial tone or the customer at the other end. I don't give a shit that the box is not "open", try a Comdial DXP if you want open. I don't care that it doesn't run my network, or on my network, or can be programmed from Chicago. But I can still get my calls in Chicago if I choose to. The Panasonic is not expensive or inexpensive. It's jsut a tool, like the copier or fax or computer. I didn't call a tech to service any of those items, I just got the manual out and either fixed it, called customer support, or threw it away (yes, that stupid Inkjet Xerox went right into the blue dumpster). Replacement fax? A Panasonic Laser/Fax. I love it! But if it dies tomorrow, it joins it's predecessor. As the old timers know, what you did yesterday to make a living you won't necessarily do today. There are not many calls for Milkmen, Blacksmiths, or TV Repairmen. Deal with it. The whole nation may be wireless before the end of the decade, and the kxthelp list will be just us old farts talking about the good old days. So I guess this thread has no real answer. I don't even remember the original question. What do you do when the customer buys from the Internet or your competitor or whoever. You adapt. You still sell wire and jacks and blocks and labor. You find a new career. Don't go contracting, I'm already there :-). Carl Navarro ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Thu Oct 25 15:54:45 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15wtOd-0002tq-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 15:54:43 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20011025185208.00aa3920@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: snowd/pop.mindspring.com@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 18:54:37 -0400 To: kxt@kxthelp.com From: "Dick M. Snow" Subject: Re: KX-T: making lemon-aide In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20011025182836.009f29c8@wcnet.org> References: <001d01c15d3f$d580dec0$6501a8c0@monitor> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk At 06:28 PM 10/25/2001, you wrote: >As the old timers know, what you did yesterday to make a living you won't >necessarily do today. There are not many calls for Milkmen, Blacksmiths, >or TV Repairmen. Deal with it. The whole nation may be wireless before >the end of the decade, and the kxthelp list will be just us old farts >talking about the good old days. >Carl Navarro Whoa! You just better leave us Blacksmiths out of this discussion! You'd be surprised how many of us there are! ;-) Dick M. Snow (Dick.Snow@POBox.com) Datalytics, Incorporated Efland, NC ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Thu Oct 25 16:15:16 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15wtiU-0002uS-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 16:15:14 -0700 From: David Lesher Message-Id: <200110252307.TAA01863@sigma.nrk.com> Subject: Re: KX-T: making lemon-aide To: kxt@kxthelp.com (KXT Mailing list) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 19:07:21 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20011025185208.00aa3920@127.0.0.1> from "Dick M. Snow" at Oct 25, 2001 06:54:37 PM Reply-To: wb8foz@nrk.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Unnamed Administration sources reported that Dick M. Snow said: > > > Whoa! You just better leave us Blacksmiths out of this discussion! You'd be > surprised how many of us there are! ;-) Just ignore Carl; I'll bet a 400D card he does not know a blacksmith from a farrier... -- A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433 ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Thu Oct 25 16:16:45 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15wtjv-0002ul-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 16:16:43 -0700 Message-ID: <20011025231640.54436.qmail@web12002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 16:16:40 -0700 (PDT) From: larry Subject: Re: KX-T: making lemon-aide To: kxt@kxthelp.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Interesting, someone else who runs on two profit centers. I starting typing about how we had two profit centers for the telcom operations but figured who cared. Materials, of margins that pay the office and shop costs, and labor that pays the wages and benefits. It's always been close to 50/50. Doing CPE installs would shift the balance and starve the physical plant, but we could close the office and run out of the trunk ;-) Just kidding! When an operation becomes non-supporting (don't pay it's own bills) we're quick to put it to sleep, and move on to the next great idea. (but we always support what we sold, forever) Computers are gone, but networking is gooood money. Phones are well into becoming computers, but no-one has made a system that is easy to install and properly program, and I think we have a few years yet. Wireless really is the next step. We looked at doing an ISP, but now realize the real way to do that is by using wireless lan cards in a public neighborhood hopping system. Like the now gone Ricochet, except use yer neighbor's lan card instead of the streetlight box. Just can't figer how ta bill it ;-) This is hot in Europe right now. SBC has totally locked up the ADSL business here, ISP's can't afford to connect to all their huts. And they have the copper to the office/house locked up tight. Wireless is the only way to do the last mile, but all the wireless companies were slaughtered with the .com crowd. Great thinking of all the possibilities! And there's money there... -larry --- Dave Phelps wrote: > Ok, count me in on this thread too :-) > > My question is why does the sale and the > installation have to be a package > deal for you? Who cares? If a customer buys a Pana > from some web site then > wants you to install it, its still in the box, just > as it would have been > if you had ordered it. So you lose a little profit > on the materials. At > least you get the profit on the labor. If you don't > do the work, you don't > get any profit on the labor either. > > I would install a system purchased elsewhere. It > simply means either I > can't get it cheap enough, or my markup was too > high. I consider selling > products and selling service, to be two distinct, > separate profit-centers. > And products aren't much of a profit-center. I would > rather get the > business and get a customer and break even on the > equipment. You get profit > on the labor anytime the customer has an issue. > OTOH, if you refuse the > work, the customer won't call you for return > business later either. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Thu Oct 25 16:20:25 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15wtnT-0002v4-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 16:20:23 -0700 Message-ID: <20011025232019.11549.qmail@web12007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 16:20:19 -0700 (PDT) From: larry Subject: Re: KX-T: making lemon-aide To: kxt@kxthelp.com In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20011025185208.00aa3920@127.0.0.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk A lot of chimneysweeps around too. The other way to make money, be the only one around! -larry There are not many calls for > Milkmen, Blacksmiths, > Whoa! You just better leave us Blacksmiths out of > this discussion! You'd be > surprised how many of us there are! ;-) > > Dick M. Snow (Dick.Snow@POBox.com) > Datalytics, Incorporated > Efland, NC __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Thu Oct 25 16:35:50 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15wu2N-0002vo-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 16:35:47 -0700 Message-ID: <20011025233543.9097.qmail@web12003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 16:35:43 -0700 (PDT) From: larry Subject: Re: KX-T: making lemon-aide To: kxt@kxthelp.com In-Reply-To: <200110252307.TAA01863@sigma.nrk.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk David, Now exactly which 400d? 1. ATT / ITT / Comdial type 2. ATT/Lucent/Avaya/[put this weeks name here] merlin type 3. ATT/Lucent/Avaya/[put this weeks name here] partner type This cost us big time a few years ago, merlin will not fit a partner case, and then there's the software version issue. -larry I think carl could use the 1a2 type card, sounds like he still has a few out there. We retired the last 512 only a few months ago - wonder if the kxtd's will be there 23 years from now. I know the kxts won't, supplies dying all over the place as it is. ;-) --- David Lesher wrote: > Unnamed Administration sources reported that Dick M. > Snow said: > > > > > > Whoa! You just better leave us Blacksmiths out of > this discussion! You'd be > > surprised how many of us there are! ;-) > > Just ignore Carl; I'll bet a 400D card he does not > know a > blacksmith from a farrier... > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Thu Oct 25 16:48:16 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15wuEQ-0002wS-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 16:48:14 -0700 Message-ID: <001901c15daf$66edb940$8fc1ff3e@co.uk> Reply-To: "Mark" From: "Mark" To: "KXT Mailing list" References: <200110252154.RAA01724@sigma.nrk.com> Subject: KX-T: Pan 1232 OBE (UK analogue) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 00:47:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Hi. Just a quicky. My sec hand 1232 works very well but one things it has never done is play music-on-hold to INTERNAL calls - but does it to external parties each time. I have read and re-read the manual but I cannot find if this is "designed that way" or if there is a fault. I also wondered if there is some "unmapped" code (there are a lot of missing numbers!), that can enable or disable internal MOH. If anyone knows the answer, please can you share it! I would appreciate finding out what the score is and whether I can do anything (short of upgrade) to enable it. Thank you Mark ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Thu Oct 25 17:03:49 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15wuTT-0002x0-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 17:03:47 -0700 Message-ID: <002501c15db1$c29abd40$6401a8c0@monitor> From: "Harry from Select" To: , Cc: , , , References: <94.1bed6d00.2909a9d3@aol.com> Subject: Re: KX-T: making lemon-aide Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 20:04:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk You tellem PanMan ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: ; ; ; Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 1:45 PM Subject: Re: KX-T: making lemon-aide > In a message dated 10/25/2001 6:13:09 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > duccini@backpack.com writes: > > > > proud of it? hardly worth the acknowledgement. I built an ISP and I can > >assure you that installing and configuring the little pana was trivial > >compared to all the Ascend, Cisco, Computone, Astrocom, Mulitech gear we > >have. > > Not sure what your point is but anyone with a little computer smarts can set > up the Cisco, and Mulitech system's, (We had a mulitech talking over the > Internet in 60min. from the time we removed it from the box. And we had a 15 > min. drive to the next site) > I have always wondered why some very smart people have such a hard time with > the Panasonic, > > > >oh yeah, I have a masters in software engineering > > People that type stuff like this 99% of the time are talking out of their A_ > _. > > > >Your inferences are really amusing. Actually we've had our KXTD for over > five years > > Five years ago you asked a lot of questions on the set up of your system. > After that I have noticed your answers to people setting up their first > system borders on the flippant side, > > > and if I really wanted to shoe-horn in some inter-office VoIP stuff I > >could have done it myself -- its not rocket science > > Most software programming is not rocket science, > > >the primary reason we bought the pana was this mailing list ! > > Why do you subscribe to this mailing? > > >but pana has fallen behind the curve, and this "us-vs-them" attitude is > >just the ill smell of something rotten forming > > What has Panasonic fallen behind on...They sell one hell of a lot of phone > systems, that IS what they do....... They have not gone VOIP but the > market for that has not warranted it, Ask 3Com, Nortel, and Cisco, all have > poor sales and have had to rethink how they will market this so they don't > only get the computer .COM kind of customer, > Panasonic does have stuff on the way, but when it comes out they will not be > upgrading the software every 60 days, or sending out patches to fix major > problems. > But like all Panasonic products it will be worth your time to look at. > > us-Vs them seems to a big deal these day's, When it comes to this list, > people like you lean most tech away from wanting to be helpfull, But I do see > answers for all questions asked, > Getting a quote from me then getting the equipment over the internet I have > no problem with, My per hour charge is more then what I would bid if I sold > the equipment, I normaly just quote $600.00 to program the voice mail and > phone system for a home or business less then 15 people,Getting equipment off > the internet then calling when things are mest up normally is the worst type > of job, becuse this is the kind of person that thinks that you stop in work > for 1 hour and correct the direction he was trying to go, Then run you out > with only 1 hour, and then call 3 to 20 times for small questions, and when > you say I need to bill you for that they say "Well if you dont want to help > just say so" > > I have sold a lot of Panasonic equipment over the last 10 years, And I'm > always looking for new customers, but as Deon Sanders said "If it don't make > money it don"t make cents" > > >sure there has always been a tension of "certified -vs- DIY" -- in EVERY > >INDUSTRY > > This is true. Getting certified on Panasonic system for a small > dealer is not that hard, $600.00, (sometimes you can get training in the city > that you live if you time it right) for a 1 week class, The last tech I > sent to BCM school at Nortel cost $5000.00 plus 2 weeks of pay and all travel > and hotel. > > > Phil Lavery > > > >> ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Thu Oct 25 17:07:05 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15wuWd-0002xT-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 17:07:03 -0700 Message-ID: <20011026000523.67353.qmail@web12008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 17:05:23 -0700 (PDT) From: larry Subject: Re: KX-T: parts id To: kxt@kxthelp.com In-Reply-To: <200110252337.TAA01906@sigma.nrk.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk UUhhh, what were you using the brown/slate for???? line/Alead/lamp only used be/or/gn, of course common aud was down on yl/sl pair, busy station on yl/or and a whole big wall full of 66B50's with 75pair cable on each side. as tim allen would say, "now THAT'S a fone system" my first great aquistion back in jr high was an interrupter from a 512. at KU I found a junk yard that had heaps of strowger stepper switches. i bought a "connector" (had "sleeve" bank that did busy line detect) and was so proud of it. i carefully dissasembled it and sent all the steel parts to a plater to be copper/nickel plated. i didn't know the springs would desolve in the acid baths. what a loss, i don't think i ever recovered from that...... rofl. -larry --- David Lesher wrote: > Unnamed Administration sources reported that larry > said: > > > > David, > > > > Now exactly which 400d? > > 1. ATT / ITT / Comdial type > > 2. ATT/Lucent/Avaya/[put this weeks name here] > merlin > > type > > 3. ATT/Lucent/Avaya/[put this weeks name here] > partner > > type > > The BlueOrangeGreenBrownSlate type. > With a KS number. > Accept no substitutes! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Thu Oct 25 17:11:53 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15wubH-0002xs-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 17:11:51 -0700 Message-ID: <20011026001148.12392.qmail@web12003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 17:11:48 -0700 (PDT) From: larry Subject: Re: KX-T: Pan 1232 OBE (UK analogue) To: kxt@kxthelp.com In-Reply-To: <001901c15daf$66edb940$8fc1ff3e@co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk Only works on CO calls. Is there a good reason to do moh on internal calls? I can't think of customers even using the icm hold. You could loop a station back through a co to get it, if you needed in on only one or two stations. you can hear moh on the speaker by pressing "1" while not on a call. -larry --- Mark wrote: > Hi. > > Just a quicky. My sec hand 1232 works very well but > one things it has never > done is play music-on-hold to INTERNAL calls - but > does it to external > parties each time. > > I have read and re-read the manual but I cannot find > if this is "designed > that way" or if there is a fault. > > I also wondered if there is some "unmapped" code > (there are a lot of missing > numbers!), that can enable or disable internal MOH. > > If anyone knows the answer, please can you share it! > I would appreciate > finding out what the score is and whether I can do > anything (short of > upgrade) to enable it. > > > Thank you > > Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ********************************************************* * To unsubscribe, e-mail kxt-request@kxthelp.com * * The KXT-Digest Home Page: http://kxthelp.com/ * ********************************************************* From owner-kxt@nccom.com Thu Oct 25 18:30:12 2001 Received: from majordom by bevo.nccom.com with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15wvp5-0002yn-00 for kxt-outgoing@nccom.com; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 18:30:11 -0700 Message-ID: <20011026013007.16459.qmail@web12006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 18:30:07 -0700 (PDT) From: larry Subject: Re: KX-T: Pan 1232 OBE (UK analogue) To: kxt@kxthelp.com In-Reply-To: <004101c15db4$7e8f46e0$8fc1ff3e@co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-kxt@nccom.com Precedence: bulk well in that case, my second idea is just what you need! loop an unused station, say 32 to an unused co line, say 8. set 32 not to ring on anything, set co 8 to be handled like a regular incoming call. from the wireless station, dial 32, system answers just line a real call, do what you do to get the moh from a real call. only concern, station 23 doesn't provide cpc, so you might need to do something to tell the device handling the co call to "hang up" -larry --- Mark wrote: > Thanks, if I know it can't be configured like that I > can stop thinking it's > faulty! > > The MOH is in fact from a CD rom inside an old 586. > The CD Rom is made to > loop a given track depending on the security status > / other events that go > on in the house. If a call is ma